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  •  Logically fallacious argument (1+ / 0-)
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    Albanius

    this diary was not about discrimination against same-sex couples. If it were, I would express my outrage about that - and have, consistently, on diaries discussing homophobic discrimination.

    You make a curious argument here. You seem to be saying that a little discrimination is ok, because there is bigger discrimination elsewhere.

    I fail to see the logic.

    One day posterity will remember, this strange era, these strange times, when ordinary common honesty was called courage. -- Yevgeny Yevtushenko

    by RandomActsOfReason on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 11:43:40 AM PDT

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    •  I never condoned this (0+ / 0-)

      And I never would. that's the primary reason why I don't dine at Cracker Barrel any longer, even though they are my favorite of the breakfast restaurants.

      Here's the issue: You're correct that the discrimination you describe is, indeed, illegal. However, in 20+ states, it's perfectly legal for a restaurant to deny service to a same-sex couple or even anyone they THINK is gay.

      So, I tell you what... when we get ENDA and other basic rights to work and live laws for gay and lesbian Americans, I'll exhibit a little more enthusiasm for your cause.

      •  That's an unfortunate sentiment (1+ / 0-)
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        Albanius

        equality is not a zero sum game - you don't have to deny it to one in order to grant it to another.

        Neither is empathy a zero sum game. You may choose to work on and focus your activism on one issue or another - clearly we can't all work on all issues at the same time - but to withhold your empathy and support is just nonsensical.

        I don't support same-sex marriage with any less vehemence because I also support a woman's right to abortion, or any other progressive issue.

        I don't understand this obsessive need to dismiss or devalue the rights and concerns of atheists compared to everyone else.

        It's not a competition.

        This is what happens, in my opinion, when we shift the focus from means to ends, and think being progressive is about achieving goal X, no matter what.

        Equality, tolerance, respect - these are all ways of being, means to achieving all our goals. Promoting that way of being helps bring all of us closer to our goals - including your particular interest.

        One day posterity will remember, this strange era, these strange times, when ordinary common honesty was called courage. -- Yevgeny Yevtushenko

        by RandomActsOfReason on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 12:38:31 PM PDT

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        •  I didn't say a damn thing about atheists (0+ / 0-)

          What I said is that your problem comes nowhere close to the countless thousands of American gays and lesbians whom have been fired, evicted, and denied public accomodation simply for being gay.

          Take your resentment elsewhere because you just lost an ally.

          BTW, I've been a member of Americans United and People for the American Way for many years. What have you done for the LGBT community?

          •  Once again, (0+ / 0-)

            someone takes a simple statement about atheist equality as an insult and a frontal attack on their concerns. And, once again, I am at a loss to understand the reasoning.

            If your support for atheist equality depends on me saying what you want me to say in a comment, it obviously isn't a particularly sincere commitment. My support for LGBT rights is not dependent on whether or not you decide to respond like an asshole.

            This is not a contest. I merely stated my conviction that equality is a value worth pursuing on its merits, not situationally as a tactic to gain an advantage solely for your personal benefit or the benefit of a group you are affiliated with.

            I fight for civil rights for all people with equal conviction - in fact, I spend a lot more time engaged with LGBT issues right now than atheist issues. As I said, it's not a contest.

            Why do you find it necessary to compare and rank people's right to equal respect and equal rights?

            It seems to me that being a progressive means caring about everyone, not just your own.

            And once again, I wonder what I might have said to offend you - or why you feel it necessary to be so offensive and personal in your remarks?

            One day posterity will remember, this strange era, these strange times, when ordinary common honesty was called courage. -- Yevgeny Yevtushenko

            by RandomActsOfReason on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 02:22:14 PM PDT

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            •  You overreacted (0+ / 0-)

              I made a comment about why I hate Denny's thinking it might get a little chuckle.

              Instead, you begin this tirade against me about how atheists' are so persecuted. How else would you expect me to respond except to attack you?

              Get a grip, dear.

              •  I guess you don't take responsibility (0+ / 0-)

                for anything you've written since that first comment.

                How else would you expect me to respond except to attack you?

                Oh, I don't know - perhaps substantively addressing the issues in a non-condescending, respectful way - "dear"?.

                One day posterity will remember, this strange era, these strange times, when ordinary common honesty was called courage. -- Yevgeny Yevtushenko

                by RandomActsOfReason on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 03:34:57 PM PDT

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