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  •  He didn't say one word about the Blue Dogs (1+ / 0-)
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    It's time to call these idiots out, time for Merkley and other to stop the enabling.

    •  Merkley is not an (16+ / 0-)

      enabler.  He's a fighter for change.

      They tortured people to get false confessions to fraudulently justify our invading Iraq.

      by TomP on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 01:10:41 PM PDT

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      •  The Senate Finance Committee is Mangy Curs (9+ / 0-)

        working together with the Blue Dogs, who are in turn
        ... who are working with said Blue Dogs in Congress, who are working with the Republicans

        and according to that story, it sounds like Pelosi doesn't mind now that the House is also going to miss its deadline to get their version out of committee.

        July 28 (Bloomberg)
        The Senate Finance Committee continued to seek bipartisan agreement on legislation, which is unlikely to include a government-run insurance program yet may contain a tax on insurers and employers who offer the most expensive health plans.
        Massachusetts Senator John Kerry said he was “relatively confident” the panel will reach agreement by week’s end. The measure would set up health-insurance cooperatives instead of a government-run plan, lawmakers say.
        ‘Cadillac’ Plans
        Kerry said his plan to tax “Cadillac” health benefits is gaining support. “There’s certainly consensus building now that it’s fair to ask the most expensive plans to contribute something” to help finance the overhaul, he told reporters.
        Hoyer called such a tax “a reasonable alternative” that is “good health-care policy and good tax policy” as long as it isn’t aimed at “average families.”

        THIS is just plain fracking crap from Kerry, who is apparently getting too senile to remember that he has to at least pretend to give a flying **** about the middle class when his party is in power.

        If the DAMNED MORONS want to raise taxes to finance this, and they don't, actually,  they have to be forced to do it on the wealthier and not as a regressive tax, and don't give me this CRAP about how taxing so- called "Cadillac" plans, which will not actually be IMPLEMENTED that way,  is not a stealth attempt to kill the public option.

        You tax wages, not benefits, to level a playing field.  You think the Republicans don't already have a work around planned for this ?

        And KERRY is supposed to be a liberal Senator.

        They are all a bunch of effing crooks on the take.

        "Toads of Glory, slugs of joy... as he trotted down the path before a dragon ate him"-Alex Hall/ Stop McClintock

        by AmericanRiverCanyon on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 01:54:25 PM PDT

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        •  Do we need to wait 50 years more (3+ / 0-)
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          just like James Lowe had to get his cleft palate fixed by the graciousness of a volunteer doctor?

          This is NOT acceptable any more, and Sen Merkley knows it.  

        •  Kerry's tax is not regressive at all (2+ / 0-)
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          It is actually progressive.

          His proposal is an excise tax of gold plated plans. It would tax only plans which are more expensive than average - and it the tax is only on the portion of the premium above the average regional cost.

          The fact is that the existing tax break here is bigger for people who both are wealthier and have better insurance plans. His plan is not like McCain's which taxes that benefit for everyone. It taxes only those getting gold plated plans. The parameters have not been fixed, but as Kerry proposed it, it will hit only the high end.

          Here's a link -

          Goldman’s 400 or so managing directors and its top executive officers participate in the bank’s executive medical and dental program as part of their benefits, according to documents filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. The program generally costs the bank $40,543 in premiums annually for each participant’s family

          •  (Praying) Oh, Geebus, Give me patience (3+ / 0-)
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            .... half the commentors here are drunk on kool aide.

            No. No. No.


            The middle class will quickly find themselves paying for this on their benefits.

            Oh, the stooopid. It burns.  I need a fire extinguisher.

            "Toads of Glory, slugs of joy... as he trotted down the path before a dragon ate him"-Alex Hall/ Stop McClintock

            by AmericanRiverCanyon on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 02:53:37 PM PDT

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            •  Given your logic - no plan is ok then (0+ / 0-)

              because they will change it.

              The fact is that even the very few middle class people who will have any impact are those that might have - say a $26,000 health insurance plan, that they currently get tax free. If the limit is $25,000 - the lower end of the range, their insurance company will pay a tax on $1000.00. However, another way of looking at it is that they have a plan that pays a far greater part of their medical care than the average person. The average person not only pays more out of pocket, but often does so an income that has been taxed.

          •  What are "gold-plated" plans? (1+ / 0-)
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            Plans that actually provide good coverage with low copays and deductibles?

            The bipartisanly pleasing primary target of this is union-negotiated plans.  This is bullshit.

            Tax the insurance companies on their earnings in excess of a reasonable profit.  Better yet, abolish for-profit insurance for primary care and give people a public option.

   - Kicking against the pricks since '98!

            by chuckvw on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 04:13:37 PM PDT

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            •  The executive type plans explained in the link (2+ / 0-)
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              Goldman Sacks has $40,000 family plans - no copays, no constraints.

              •  My suspicion is that (0+ / 0-)

                that would apply to too few policies to make a difference.  I have heard rethugs and blue dogs talking about union-negotiated "gold-plated" plans, also, which is, as I said, bullshit.

       - Kicking against the pricks since '98!

                by chuckvw on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 04:58:21 PM PDT

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                •  It's not bullshit (1+ / 0-)
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                  If you define a gold-plated plan as one that pays for everything, forever, even after retirement then there ARE gold plated union plans.    

                  Remember, nobody is telling anybody how much they can spend on health care, just how much should be tax deductable, and thereby subsidized by other taxpayers who get far less.

                  Compare it to the home mortgage tax deduction.    A buyer of a multi-million dollar home gets full tax deductability, just like buyers of $200,000 homes.  

                  All allowances for tax deductions should have upper limits.  There is no reason to subsidize waste and indulgence.      

                  See for example people who visit chiropractors 20 times a year just because their coverage allows it.   There is no scientific evidence that chiropractic does anybody any good, and there is no science behind it.

                  Religion gives men the strength to do what should not be done.

                  by bobtmn on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 06:00:20 PM PDT

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                  •  i think the Alternative Minimum tax would (0+ / 0-)

                    remove most of the tax break on a multimillion dollar home's mortgage payment and property taxes.

                    In NJ, many people with $500,000 home routinely are hit with the AMT.

                  •  So working people (0+ / 0-)

                    who are getting precisely the kind of health care we think everyone should have must be punished in order to achieve that end? Sorry.  Bullshit.

           - Kicking against the pricks since '98!

                    by chuckvw on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 07:47:39 PM PDT

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                    •  Disagree .. (0+ / 0-)

                      Its not what "we think" because I don't think everyone should get that level of care.   I don't even think it is very likely to be good for you.   The amount of treatment that is provided without scientific justification is off the charts.

                      Many tests and treatments are simply bad for you.  Many may be harmless but do no good.   People spend lots and lots of money on things that don't help.    It should not be encouraged.

                      The fact is, most people are healthy and do not need to see doctors except for reassurance.    Some people will use medical services just to get attention that they should get elsewhere.

                      I'm happy to support tax deduction for a level of service that helps, but not an open checkbook that will be exploited by profiteers, regardless of whether we get a public plan or not.

                      Religion gives men the strength to do what should not be done.

                      by bobtmn on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 09:33:28 PM PDT

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                      •  You're talking about something quite (0+ / 0-)

                        different than taxing some working folks health care.  Perhaps you disagree with me, but I think everyone should have access cradle to grave to fully portable health care.  If not single payer - and that's an embittering concession - then at least a universal public option that sets national standards for drug and treatment costs and that employers and individuals could opt into from day one...  If the rich prefer something different, gold-plated and drenched in chocolate - I don't really give a shit - I'm all for them paying the full toll out of pocket.

                        Unions would much rather negotiate for wages and quality of life improvements than for health care. They would happily sign up for a real public option. You don't see how the issue of "gold-plated" health care is intended as a wedge between Democrats and a core constituency?

               - Kicking against the pricks since '98!

                        by chuckvw on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 09:53:35 PM PDT

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                        •  Didn't mean to overstrike "cradle to grave" (0+ / 0-)

                 - Kicking against the pricks since '98!

                          by chuckvw on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 09:55:09 PM PDT

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                        •  With this, I agree (1+ / 0-)
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                          One of the things that I feel we have lost in our constant battle to counter right wing bullshit is that they have made it so hard to have substantive discussions about the details of a solution without being accused of "Disarray".

                          I always have wondered how the wingers decide who to line up behind when they fall into formation to support some Dear Leader.  

                          Intelligent, informed people tend to deal with facts.  We have to discuss how to solve problems, and they even use that against us.

                          Religion gives men the strength to do what should not be done.

                          by bobtmn on Wed Jul 29, 2009 at 07:11:46 AM PDT

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        •  How many times will you post this (1+ / 0-)
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          Here is an explanation. i assume from your concern on this you have a $30,000 or $40,000 untaxed health care plan

    •  Merkley's in the Senate. (5+ / 0-)

      He's talking about a Senate bill. The Blue Dogs are in the House, and have nothing to do or say about a Senate bill.

      Conservatives love America like four-year-old kids love their mommies. -Al Franken

      by leftilicious on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 01:45:25 PM PDT

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      •  The Blue Dogs are working w/ Senate+Republicans (3+ / 0-)
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        .... this is a coordinated effort by all 3 groups.

        See my longer comment just above.

        Pelosi, according to a link at Huffpo, said she welcomed the bipartisan talks across the aisle today.

        Rangel is saying they are not going to get a House bill out before the deadline, which contradicts what Pelosi said yesterday.

        They would all rather go back home on vacation and shill for yet more bucks.

        It's sickening.

        "Toads of Glory, slugs of joy... as he trotted down the path before a dragon ate him"-Alex Hall/ Stop McClintock

        by AmericanRiverCanyon on Tue Jul 28, 2009 at 01:58:22 PM PDT

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    •  Hello mouth, meet foot. (1+ / 0-)
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      You need to do something to overcome the hyperventilation before posting.

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