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  •  is it possible (2+ / 0-)
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    The Raven, longislandny

    to be against his policies without being a racist?

    •  absolutely. (1+ / 0-)
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      Kylopod

      I was against Bush's policies.  I didn't hate him.  I didn't know him.  

      It's one thing to be against someone because of what you think, it's another thing to be against someone because of what you feel.

      You think Obama's policies are damaging to this country, then great.  That's fine.

      But most of the opposition to Obama (from the right) is not even based in fact.  It's manufactured out of thin air to prey on people's fears.

      You are entitled to express your opinion. But you are NOT entitled to agreement.

      by DawnG on Mon Aug 10, 2009 at 11:56:03 AM PDT

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      •  kind of of like for Palin? n/t (0+ / 0-)
        •  kind of like WHAT for Palin? (1+ / 0-)
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          Tonedevil

          exactly?

          You are entitled to express your opinion. But you are NOT entitled to agreement.

          by DawnG on Mon Aug 10, 2009 at 12:10:24 PM PDT

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          •  You commented ... (0+ / 0-)

            "But most of the opposition to Obama (from the right) is not even based in fact.  It's manufactured out of thin air to prey on people's fears." The statement rings just as true if you replace 'Obama' with 'Palin' and 'right' with 'left'.

            •  I guess I don't see it. (0+ / 0-)

              Palin commented a few days ago that Obama's healthcare proposals will kill her youngest child.

              Exactly WHAT do you think, coming from the left, even comes close to that as "preying on people's fears"?

              Now keep in mind that I was born and raised in Alaska, AND a woman before you answer that.  I am not speaking from a poisition of ignorance about the politics of the state.

              The only thing I was ever afraid of with Palin, is that people would actually BUY her garbage.  She's a a complete fraud.  She ran for Governor of Alaska on an anti-corruption platform (Which wasn't difficult considering how badly Murkowski messed up the state in that regard), and then proceeded to be just as corrupt once she got into office.  That is her schtick.  She tells her base exactly what they want to hear, but she doesn't deliver on any of it.  

              That is not anywhere NEAR the equivilant of the objection we see against Obama from the right.  The right are not objecting to the promises Obama is NOT keeping.  They're objecting to the promises he is keeping.

              You are entitled to express your opinion. But you are NOT entitled to agreement.

              by DawnG on Mon Aug 10, 2009 at 01:14:23 PM PDT

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              •  I assume what you are referring to (0+ / 0-)

                is Palin's concern that a bureaucratic committee with most members appointed by Obama having a say in how her child gets treatment. That should be up to the doctor and patient/guardian. I'm sure you will come back with some argument basically saying I misunderstand, I haven't read the bill, or something to that effect. That's ok. I won't be able to convince you. You won't be able to convince me. I'm really just trying to understand what is so great about Obamacare. Huge government programs seem to only succeed in failing while taxing us to death.

                •  You made a statement... (1+ / 0-)
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                  Kylopod

                  ...that implied the left does the same thing to Palin that the right does to Obama (preying on fears to fuel opposition instead of intelligent opposition to policy).

                  I was asking for examples to back up your assertion, while simultaneously using Palin's comments to back up my assertion about how the Right preys on people's fears to oppose Obama.

                  So, I'll ask again.  How does the left 'prey on fears' about Palin exactly?  As you asserted in your previous comments?

                  You are entitled to express your opinion. But you are NOT entitled to agreement.

                  by DawnG on Mon Aug 10, 2009 at 02:09:48 PM PDT

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                  •  Were you asleep during the presidential campaign? (0+ / 0-)

                    According to the quotes below, you should be scared of a murdering, special needs denying, Christian sexual deviant. If that's not preying on fear, I don't know what is.

                    Bob Beckel: "She [Palin] could be Freddy Krueger's running buddy on Elm Street."

                    Soledad Obrien reported "...what she did with the special needs budget, which I'm sure you're aware, she cut significantly, 62 percent I think is the number from when she came into office..." A simple  investigation showed Palin actually increased the budget.

                    Radio talkshow host Randi Rhodes: "Sarah likes to sleep with teenage boys"

                    Cintra Wilson of Salon.com called her a "Christian Stepford Wife"

    •  Many on Kos are against his policies (0+ / 0-)

      For example, many here dislike his views on health care, detention, and gay rights--though from the left direction.

      •  I venture to guess not very many. n/t (0+ / 0-)
        •  Do you even read this site? (1+ / 0-)
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          Tonedevil

          There are a fairly constant flood of diaries by people who think Obama's health care proposals are too timid, his failure to end DADT contemptible, and his allowance of preventative detention inexcusible.

          •  My point is ... (0+ / 0-)

            that not very many would be in favor (or admit to being in favor) of a viewpoint on the debate that coincides with those on the right. Sure, you may disagree with many things Obama says only because it doesn't go left far enough.

            •  There are issues (0+ / 0-)

              on which I'm to the right of Obama. For example, I favor school vouchers (though not federally mandated).

              I don't think most of the people here automatically interpret every criticism of Obama from the right as racist. I think they tend to apply that interpretation to the more extreme, inflammatory types of attacks, such as the cries of "socialist," talks about death-care, and comparisons with Hitler. Whether these sorts of attacks are in fact racist is a legitimate question, but they are definitely not civil.

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