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  •  You seriously think you have great insurance? (0+ / 0-)

    Three month waiting period for cancer coverage?  You're lucky your wife isn't dead.  Also, ask your employer what he thinks of the coverage -- he may be screaming at the cost.  How'd you like your pay to go up?  If you would, support single-payer.

    Now for the economic lesson.  Premiums are going up very fast because (a) there is no competition, there's a private cartel and (b) there is no government involvement.

    When there is no competition, government-run systems make things cheaper, because Congress has an incentive to make things cheaper -- it gets votes.  Look at towns with city-run water and power systems -- they underprice the power and water.

    In other words, you're just wrong on the economics.  Given that health insurance is a monopolistic profiteering cartel already, and the cartel has made it very very very very very hard to start up your own health insurer (try it!), a government-run plan will make things cheaper.

    Heck, it's cheaper in Canada, the UK, France, and all the other countries with government-run plans.

    (There are a dozen economic reasons why trying to reestablish competition in the private market won't work either -- "adverse selection" is the first, and "natural monopoly" is the second.)

    -5.63, -8.10. Learn about Duverger's Law.

    by neroden on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 10:56:42 AM PDT

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    •  Dreaming (0+ / 0-)

      If you really believe it is going to be cheaper there is not much else to be said.

      •  I have the numbers on my side. (1+ / 0-)
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        You're just making crap up.  I'm sorry you don't know any economics and refuse to study the actual numbers regarding costs in Medicare vs. private insurance, in Canada vs. the US, in Britain vs. Canada, etc.  You can look them up easily enough.

        If you are unwilling to listen to the cold, hard facts which show that the government runs health insurance cheaper than the private sector, there is not much more to be said; you're just insistent on being wrong.

        I would welcome you to the reality-based community any time.

        -5.63, -8.10. Learn about Duverger's Law.

        by neroden on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:09:29 AM PDT

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      •  Do your own research (1+ / 0-)
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        Canada spends less per capita on the US and covers everybody, not just the old the very poor and veterans.  The best equally ignorant but less lazy anti-reformists could do to counter that was dig up a stat showing that 400 Canadians sought heart operations south of the border.  Over six years.  Out of 33 million Canadians.  Big whoop.  And France and Germany's systems are even better than Canada's.

        It's going to be cheaper because it would actually be difficult for any system run by consciencious competent people to be more expensive than the current one.  Not everything the US does differenty than other industrialized countries can be chalked up to the virtues of American exceptionalism.

        I'm glad you think there's not much else to be said.  You weren't really saying anything anyway.

        Seek first and final principles at The Mean Free Path.

        by Cream Puff on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 11:38:17 AM PDT

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