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  •  I think that's a hasty assessment (5+ / 0-)

    So far he's abandoned...
    the LGBT community and the anti-war folks.

     He's got a lot on his plate.  I'm sure you couldn't do it all in less than a year in this environment.  If you could, you should run for office.

    Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. --Mark Twain

    by SottoVoce on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 02:29:46 PM PDT

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    •  You can't criticize Obama (1+ / 0-)
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      without running for the office of the President of the United States. Throw your hat in the ring, if you think you know so much about politics. Otherwise, just come out and admit that you're mentally and socially incapable of being a full citizen. Just vote for the person that… hmm… how are we idiots supposed to cast our votes, again?

      •  I'm missing your point.....? (0+ / 0-)

        Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. --Mark Twain

        by SottoVoce on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 03:47:12 PM PDT

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        •  "If you could, you should run for office." (0+ / 0-)

          Your reply to criticism of Obama.

          We voted him in and we have a right to judge his performance. If we pay close attention to what he is doing, we can call ourselves informed. There's really nothing more we as citizens can do, realistically.

          Your assertion that he is doing the best he can do is not one I personally understand. Why did he make promises that he now has completely reversed on (gay rights, rule of law) or makes no real effort to accomplish (health care)? At what point in his tenure will he have greater latitude for action than in the wake of George Bush's catastrophic demonstration of the poverty of GOP ideas? The only thing he's really taken a risk on is pouring no-strings attached taxpayer money into the financial industry.

          What a waste of a brilliant talent for communications and an historic opportunity for change this is turning out to be. And he's to blame.

          •  Alright, I understand now what you are saying... (0+ / 0-)

            I am sorry that you have written him off.  I hope he proves you wrong, as I'm sure you hope as well.

            The reason I wrote

            If you could, you should run for office

            was not in response to you, but rather to an earlier comment which definitively stated that Obama had abandoned whole issues and groups of people, with the suggestion that he was going to throw away healthcare next in a cavalier way.  It seemed to me to suggest that what he had to accomplish was much easier than it is, and that the mountain of well-paid, well-connected opposition facing him was much more easily scaled than it is.  To me, this kind of criticism is facile, and has a swagger to it that pisses me off.  To such a comment, I like to say, "I'd like to see you try it."  

            Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. --Mark Twain

            by SottoVoce on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 04:43:40 PM PDT

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            •  What Obama is trying to accomplish (1+ / 0-)
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              I think it becoming increasingly difficult to maintain the belief that Obama's performance is the result of difficulties inherited or opposition maintained. Of course, cleaning up after Bush would be difficult and the GOP will maintain its opposition no matter what. Unfortunately, however, it seems as if Obama has no interest in trying to do many of the things that need doing. There is a ready explanation for this, if one is willing to let go of the notion that Obama is a heroic individual who cares deeply about the welfare of regular folks (a rare personality to have at his strata of power): he is more interested in garnering money of lobbyists and the approval of corporate controlled media (both useful in winning elections) than in challenging the system that he has thrived within. It's really not a counter-intuitive or even unlikely conclusion. It would be far less likely that he was genuinely inclined to do what he told us he would.

              I admit that I had some hopes and I voted for the man twice. I always suspected, however, that we'd be lucky if he simply did less harm to the country than Bush, since Bush had so radically expanded the power of the President, with Congress and the press eagerly following that lead.

              •  It is heartbreaking to imagine that (0+ / 0-)

                rather than caring

                deeply about the welfare of regular folks (a rare personality to have at his strata of power): he is more interested in garnering money of lobbyists and the approval of corporate controlled media (both useful in winning elections) than in challenging the system that he has thrived within.

                I know that just because a person is telegenic and articulate that doesn't make him noble.  But your view is too deeply cynical for me.  I think I'll keep my illusions for a while longer I think.  

                As to this

                Bush had so radically expanded the power of the President, with Congress and the press eagerly following that lead.

                Congress and the press eagerly followed Bush and Cheney's lead.  Obama's?  Not so much.  The pushback is enormous.  It almost seems as though he doesn't have enough power to accomplish healthcare in the face of the piles of money being thrown to Congress against it.  

                Time will tell.

                Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it. --Mark Twain

                by SottoVoce on Thu Aug 06, 2009 at 05:33:31 PM PDT

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                •  Pushback (1+ / 0-)
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                  The dems are the party that has at times, in history, made government more responsive to its citizens and less protective of the wealthy. It behooves corporate America to hold the most slavish party up as the most respectable, and to generally punish the even marginally less slavish party. To do otherwise would confuse those who seek their favor. That's a strategic position so basic that conspiratorial coordination is unnecessary, while it is one that can be modified tactically, as needs be. But they have generally pushed the Dems down and the GOP up (just ask the Clintons).

                  Notice, however, that the media is largely silent on the truly undemocratic secrecy and detention policies that Obama has adopted, moves that entrench the authoritarian excesses of the Bush Presidency. It's clear that the more authoritarian Washington becomes, the less responsive it has to be to those without direct access.

                  The pushback is enormous.  It almost seems as though he doesn't have enough power to accomplish healthcare in the face of the piles of money being thrown to Congress against it.

                  It increasingly appears as if he is delivering something in exchange for those piles of money, and that the "push back" is welcome cover for the trade. The industries will likely grow richer from this tepid reform. Obama and the Blue Dogs that he has consistently favored are protecting the health care status quo rather than challenging it, as this diary demonstrates.

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