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  •  I'm sorry, but if he thinks the Romneycare Mass (0+ / 0-)

    .... Massachusetts version was a good idea initially, then he's just another Dem who's figured out how to say anything to get elected.

    I heard him at Netroots in 06 and actually went back to his district where I have friends and relatives to talk them into working for him, and I live across the country.

    It is now 2009, three years later, and this pos Congress has not done a single goddamned thing for some of those people. Other than switched from "R" to "D."

    You know that the Romneycare routine of mandated purchase of junk insurance sucks yet this is the best that he can come up with ?

    Have these people even bothered to look at other much less wealthy nations with different insurance plans that are either single payer or have a baseline and tight regulation of the supplemental policies?  

    Of course fucking not.

    How is it that those other countries don't go bankrupt from providing universal coverage while they expend less per person and provide better outcomes?

    I'd rather see Specter forced to do the correct thing as his last legacy than to see this what I thought was at least a domestic policy liberal but just another war hawk with contempt for civilians (and we have enough of them already) get into the Senate for a lifetime.

    "Toads of Glory, slugs of joy... as he trotted down the path before a dragon ate him"-Alex Hall/ Stop McClintock

    by AmericanRiverCanyon on Sat Aug 08, 2009 at 10:03:40 AM PDT

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    •  The minute Specter gets reelected (0+ / 0-)

      (if things turn out that way) he has absolutely no incentive to vote with the Democrats on anything.

      When Specter initially switched parties, that first week he came out unequivocally and said that he would not support a public option.  He also was waffling on EFCA.  It was not until he had the threat of a primary that he changed his mind.

      If he is put back into office, do you really think he's going to vote with the Democrats?  Why should he?

      The man has shown himself to be completely self-serving.

      Plus, it's up to the people of Pennsylvania to decide who they want to run for senator in their state.  It's not up to the White House and Ed Rendell.

      And Sestak's initial leanings were not for an exact replica of an MA plan, it was similar.  There were differences.  His main concerns were financial.  He was never opposed to it in principle.  As he learns more and speaks to more people in his district and throughout the state, his position has become more populist.  And healthcare reform has been his top priority from day one.

      •  The minute he's (Specter) would be elected, if (0+ / 0-)

        ... he was treated the proper way by the Democratic Party, he'd have no problem voting with them.  I figure his first few weeks he was going either get with the program or be a disaster-  he's adapting.  

        re Sestak "his main concerns were financial"  that's just more bullshit Republican- style posturing and excuses. There has never been a financial means test applied to any sort of military spending bill, and the health care reforms would cost a fraction of what we spend-- this is nothing more than a power struggle.

        Let me translate this for you-  it takes thousands of dollars to run for Congress but it takes millions of dollars to run for Senate and the second somebody actually decides, they become funded by special interests.  Even if Sestak loses, he is indicating by this move that he will take a lot of corporate financing with out a qualm. Nothing wrong with that other than then what do you do with it.....  piss them off and vote for Dem ideas in the Senate?

        I have been going over his financial donations and I do not like what I am seeing, he has not done anything wrong per se but he's getting some of his money from Republicans that fund all of the Democratic party's natural enemies.  Plus, if RMR/MAF (swiftboats 'r us) is supporting him by doing expenditures against his opponent, that's a total, inexcusable flunk.

        It pains me to do this, but at least with Specter one would know exactly what one was getting.

        "Toads of Glory, slugs of joy... as he trotted down the path before a dragon ate him"-Alex Hall/ Stop McClintock

        by AmericanRiverCanyon on Sat Aug 08, 2009 at 05:46:57 PM PDT

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        •  Wow (0+ / 0-)

          We've agreed on many things in the past but I have to say, ARC, I think you've gone off the rails on this particular match up.

          You really think that Arlen Specter is going to vote with the Dems if they would only treat him right?

          if (0+ / 0-)

          ... he was treated the proper way by the Democratic Party, he'd have no problem voting with them.  

          Cripes, do you know anything about Arlen Specter?  You've gone off your rocker.  And I don't know if you understand this race very well either.  

          You've made a lot of accusations against Sestak with absolutely no sources, no links and nothing to back it up.  Produce the evidence of all these sinister things about him, or quit attacking.

          As for your doubts about Sestak's loyalty because Republicans seem to be working against Specter -- come on!  First, Specter left the GD Republican party and gave the Dems the 60th seat, and Republicans are freaking vindictive people.  Does that make any sense to you?  Second, Republicans feel that they have a lot better chance of winning that seat with Toomey running against Sestak rather than Specter, so they do things to work against Specter.  Third, if the Republican candidate does not have a tough primary, and the Dem candidate has a tough primary, conventional wisdom says that this is an advantage to the Repub. candidate in the general election.  So they want Sestak to primary Specter because they think it will weaken the Dem. candidate in the general.

          I'd like to see some proof and evidence for your attacks on Sestak, and I'll call you on it every time I see it.  You're way off base on this one.

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