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  •  Rahm's right in some regard (11+ / 0-)

    We do have to be smarter about alienating the various factions of the Democratic coalition, but--and I know I'm going out on a limb here--calling one faction (or, at least, what they/we do) "fucking stupid" is not a wise tactic.

    Magis vinum, magis verum
    (Blogistan Polytechnic Institute motto)

    by GOTV on Sat Aug 08, 2009 at 06:36:42 PM PDT

    •  He's to the right of most of us (4+ / 0-)

      "Some people meditate. I go watch baseball."--Keith Olbermann

      by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Sat Aug 08, 2009 at 06:40:36 PM PDT

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    •  "fucking stupid" is how Rahmbo speaks (1+ / 0-)
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      That is just him.

      I personally don't begrudge Rahmbo for saying that.  That IS his role.  He is supposed to defend Democrats.

      Obama 7/09: "Don't bet against us" (unless the Dems screw it up).

      by Drdemocrat on Sat Aug 08, 2009 at 06:46:37 PM PDT

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    •  In a perfect world Rahm is right. In a perfect (0+ / 0-)

      world with the Democrats controlling all three branches of government health care reform should happen.  In a perfect world all democrats would be like democrats and less like Republicans.  So considering the circumstances of the situation, Rahm is wrong.

      •  But see? (2+ / 0-)
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        Not all these Democrats that you speak of believe in the same things you and I might. Some believe in keeping something close to the current system in place.  Some believe that the program, even as it is being formed may be fine, but it just costs too much.  Some believe that if we are going to spend this much, we had better get more fundamnetal change than what the current package is shaping up to offer.  And, yes, still others believe that their careers cannot survive a massive upheaval of the health care/health insurance system.  

        Emanuel is trying to put something together that you and I, I'm sure, will find to be so watered down so as to be unacceptable, even though it will likely be an improvement in real terms, and even a net loser when considering the cost.  I'd rather we get caught up in the details and fighting where it makes sense, and not getting all wounded because Rahm Emanuel--of all people--used corse language and directed it at Democrats.  

        Magis vinum, magis verum
        (Blogistan Polytechnic Institute motto)

        by GOTV on Sat Aug 08, 2009 at 07:50:51 PM PDT

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    •  We don't really know what was said anyway. (2+ / 0-)
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      For all we know, the source could be some anti-Rahm guy exaggerating what he said.  Also, tihs was a private meeting.  These ad makers weren't taken to task publicly.  Maybe Rahm did rip into these guys in private.  So fucking what?

      What I'm tired of is that every time there's a meeting between WH officials and outside groups, immediately a member of the outside group goes to Politico or Greg Sargent to leak what was said, spun according to that source's own agenda.  I got sick of it when Repubs did it earlier (they would leak comments that Obama allegedly made during private meetings wrt the stimulus package, for example, spun to make Obama look arrogant or whatever), I got sick of it when self-appoitned "civil libertarians" did it (leaking comments made in meetings wrt treatment of detainees, release of torture photos, etc), and I'm sick of it when these "progressive activists" do it.

      I don't trust anything leaked from a private meeting.  But even if this particular leak is true, these ad makers are big boys.  Someone told them in a private meeting that he thought their ads were "fucking stupid"?  Well get over it.  To be fair, the ad makers aren't the ones whining about harsh criticism of some ads, rather it's the commenters on blogs that are crying like babies over a comment they never even heard for themselves.

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