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  •  "snap back" is a small factor (1+ / 0-)
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    Yes, when people get better gas mileage they may allow themselves to drive a few more miles. But price elasticity (the response to price increases)analysis will show that the snap back is nowhere near as great as the number of miles no longer driven.

    So your answer is to keep the clunkers on the road longer so that people will feel the huirt more when gas goes to $4 again?

    Where I live, some habits changed permanently, others slip back to the way they were, but peoples travel patterns definitely changed.

    More efficient cars is a good thing under any circumstance. Getting people to drive less miles is a parallel goal, not in conflict.

    And as a side note: I don't care where car companies are "based." That means nothing in a global economy. My Subaru was built in Indiana, and General Motors is not an American company any more.

    This is not what I thought I'd be when I grew up.

    by itzik shpitzik on Mon Aug 10, 2009 at 01:11:18 PM PDT

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    •  allow me to retort (0+ / 0-)

      "Where I live, some habits changed permanently, others slip back to the way they were, but peoples travel patterns definitely changed."

      They're still building big houses in the suburbs.

      And there is no doubt that transit funding has suffered, while $3B goes to this program. And when transit sucks, people drive. And bus drivers get laid off. Regardless of where your Subaru was built or whether GM is American, a bus driver is a job lost that would never be outsourced.

      •  transit funding has not suffered... (1+ / 0-)
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        ...because of the clunker program.

        Transit funding is seeing increases now. The suffering was in the past. They are not mutually exclusive, as I said.

        No bus driver jobs are lost when someone on a dirt road in rural America gets better gas mileage.

        This is not what I thought I'd be when I grew up.

        by itzik shpitzik on Mon Aug 10, 2009 at 01:24:32 PM PDT

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        •  Limbaugh-esque comment (0+ / 0-)

          "Transit funding has not suffered"

          This is what is commonly known as a "lie".

          In the SF Bay Area, every single transit system has had a fare increase and a service decrease yet still cannot balance their budgets. On MUNI alone that is 700,000 passengers who are paying more and getting less. ONE system, equivalent to the number of people who will benefit from Cash for Clunkers.

          BART is on the brink of a strike trying to close a funding gap, despite service cuts and a fare increase.

          And if we want to translate that to "stimulus", Caltrain is full of employees of Apple, Google, Intel, Microsoft, and the students/employees at Stanford. When the train breaks down due to crappy maintainance - a result of underfunding - the cost to society of those worker's lost productivity is a lot higher than what we get from line workers in Detroit making a few more cars - the aforementioned people participating in a segment of our economy that is growing more jobs, not shedding them.

          •  I don't think you read. You just write. (1+ / 0-)
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            The problems of the SF Bay area transit systems are accumulated problems of years and years of underfunding.

            They are NOT (aka "not" or not) the result of underfunding in the first 6 months of the Obama admisnistration which has proposed significant increases in the annual federal budget as well as the one-time investment for transit in ARRA.

            This is not what I thought I'd be when I grew up.

            by itzik shpitzik on Mon Aug 10, 2009 at 06:11:04 PM PDT

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    •  Way down? Total miles driven fell 6%. (0+ / 0-)

      Gas usage barely moved at all despite $4 gas.

      -7.75 -4.67

      "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose."

      There are no Christians in foxholes.

      by Odysseus on Mon Aug 10, 2009 at 01:28:02 PM PDT

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