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  •  Well they do have a point.... (3+ / 0-)

    If an elderly man, on medicare, suffering from heart failure with advanced cancer asks for a heart transplant, or extensive advanced cancer treatment, he will be refused.

    This will kill him.

    He may have lasted another week, or even a month, but his choice is refuted by Obama's death panel that will refuse this treatment.

    Why should we deny that this is one thing that will happen.  Of course the choice is to do nothing, to continue the current system where those with curable diseases will go untreated and thus suffer and die.

    •  An elderly man (7+ / 0-)

      will not be healthy enough to survive a transplant.  The same thing happened with my grandmother, who had emphysema (though she never smoked).  People get lung transplants for emphysema now.  That was never an option for her, since her health was so poor she couldn't have endured the recovery.  Be realistic.

      •  The principle holds..... (1+ / 0-)
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        James Protzman

        right now medicare provides almost unlimited care, even when the extension of life may be minimal, and accompanied with great debility.

        It is unaffordable even for the current population, and will be more so if this is the philosophy of a larger universal group.

        There will be no savings without choices, and those will limit care.  This is from the Presidents main medical adviser, Dr. Emanual, Rahm's brother.

        Realism is what I'm advocating, and which may have prevented this firestorm we are now seeing.

    •  I agree this is something we need to discuss. (6+ / 0-)

      I saw myself how insane the health care system is when my father who was suffering from advanced kidney cancer coded on an O.R. table after his intestines gave out and was shocked back to "life" since the hospitals can't have people dying on operating room tables (makes their surgeons look bad). He spent the last seven weeks of his "life," if you could call it that, on a respirator in an ICU unit for no discernable reason other than the fact that 1) he lacked an advance care directive, 2) my mother was unwilling to pull the plug and 3) the doctors were all too willing to keep billing Medicare. The final bill for that hospital stay, which of course ended in his death? $250,000.

    •  Of course it will happen (2+ / 0-)
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      As it happens now, when insurance companies refuse treatment.

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      by Catte Nappe on Tue Aug 11, 2009 at 12:00:04 PM PDT

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    •  Not true!!!!!!! (0+ / 0-)

      Ultimately, it's the DOCTOR who will decide.  A physician is perfectly within his rights to perform (pro bono) a heart transplant, as long as he/she's qualified to do so.

      The real issue here is that it costs a lot of money, and few doctors will want to incur the cost without getting compensated.

      This is ultimately a matter of physicians needing to step up and take responsibility.  They shouldn't have to worry about "not making a living" if they provide a high standard of care.  That's one of the things that a gov't plan should do - create a safety net for providers so that they can put patients first.

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