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  •  What is the "Western" Thing? (none)
    So, I'm looking at what you think can be democratic (the Baltics, Western Ukraine, which is very rural and not industrial or urban) and what can't (Romania, Eastern Ukraine), and I have to ask you to be honest, that is if it won't take you too long to explain; are you saying that anywhere that the dominant religion tradition isn't Catholic or Protestant is capable of being evaluated with "western concepts," and places that are Orthodox are not?
    •  Democracy isn't transplanted. It develops. (none)
      That's the short answer.  And the places that are closer to countries that are already democratic "catch" it.  Even better if the place was a democracy before the Soviets took it over.  This is why the Poles, the Czechs and the Baltics have taken to democracy like a fish to water, while lots of other countries have struggled with it.

      I'd love to stay and debate this for another three hours, but my (Russian) wife says it's bedtime!

      "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross" -- Sinclair Lewis

      by DC Pol Sci on Sun Nov 28, 2004 at 07:51:15 PM PST

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      •  Well Then Why Western Ukraine... (none)
        ...which borders on Moldova and Romania, but not Romania, which borders on Hungary and Western Ukraine?  Why Poland, which borders Russia, Belarus, and at the time of the Solidarty strikes, the DDR and Czechoslovakia?  And Georgia?  Any explanation of how they could chose a relatively democratic and western-oriented leader when they don't abut to a Swiss Canton?  

        Sorry, the Romania exception and the distinction between Eastern and Western Ukraine make it hard for me to not think you're pinning your beliefs to the dividing line between Eastern and Western Christiandom.  

        •  You forgot Poland. (none)
          You can't just look prior to the fall of the wall.  Poland has a history of democracy predating World War II.  So do the Baltics.  Hungary was a monarchy, then communist, then a dictatorship.  Romania was a monarchy.  Though Western Ukraine has never been a democracy proper, it's always looked toward Poland and the West.  Eastern Ukraine is culturally more aligned with Russia.

          It's got nothing to do with the dividing line between Catholicism and Orthodoxy (please realize I'm married to a Russian Orthodox Christian).  This divide is cultural, not religious.

          "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross" -- Sinclair Lewis

          by DC Pol Sci on Sun Nov 28, 2004 at 08:45:44 PM PST

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