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  •  Redemption is gone (3+ / 0-)
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    from our society.  

    Once you are a criminal, you are always judged a criminal.  I guess no one has ever considered that keeping criminals from reentering society and finding homes and jobs might cause enough angst and deprivation that they might again break the law.  Recidivism is bad enough; we don't need to assist it.

    (-7.75, -7.69) No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up - Lily Tomlin

    by john07801 on Wed Aug 12, 2009 at 01:08:10 PM PDT

    •  A fellow moved to this neighborhood (1+ / 0-)
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      a few years ago, having left his old one after being charged, but never convicted, of nonviolent sexual abuse of a child. He was being tormented by his neighbors, who used creative vandalism, arson and attempted murder to make it clear that he was not welcome.

      He died a couple years later. While nobody here ever tried to kill him or fill his house with water, people made it clear that they hated him and that he was not welcome, and I think it was the stress of this ostracism for an accusation, not even a conviction, that killed him in the end.

      This post brought to your eyes by the Prince of Excess Himself.

      by Shaviv on Wed Aug 12, 2009 at 01:36:52 PM PDT

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      •  Sex offenders (1+ / 0-)
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        have the lowest rate (5.3%) of recidivism of all felons (according to the USDOJ), yet their pictures and addresses are available to anyone on the Internet.  The upshot has been the anonymous murders of registrants with no diminution of crimes on their part.

        Politicians have now made residency requirements so difficult that many are forced to live under bridges or defy the law itself.

        Nor are any of these laws funded, leaving the local police to try to keep up with legal requirements they don't themselves need or want.

        (-7.75, -7.69) No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up - Lily Tomlin

        by john07801 on Wed Aug 12, 2009 at 02:20:42 PM PDT

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    •  These people terrorised their neighbors in (0+ / 0-)

      many cases, they destroyed property, stole, robbed, assaulted and maimed others who are just as hard pressed and poor. They victimized their weaker neighbors and took unfair advantage. The heads of the households exercised no control over the offending member. Sometimes, it is necessary to take responsibility for ones actions and suffer the consequences. Far too long, the troublemakers in Annapolis housing took advantage of the system, violated their neighbors without consequence. Now the consequences are coming home to roost. It is about time for those who are law abiding citizens struggling each day to get by to get justice and peace of mind in their own homes (government owned) homes.

      •  Then you make the rule about them. (1+ / 0-)
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        Not about things someone was never actually charged for and that occurred years before.

        You make the policy based on looking at individual people rather than automatically sticking someone on it, and if you do make an automatic exclusion part of the policy you set it to trigger on charged and convicted rather than on not even being charged.

        Hoping and praying that the empty chairs and empty tables in Iran when all is said and done are as few as possible.

        by Cassandra Waites on Wed Aug 12, 2009 at 01:52:24 PM PDT

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      •  People should pay for their crimes (0+ / 0-)

        and those who prove they can't handle freedom shouldn't have any.  Ultimately, the incorrigibles are identified by the state and treated accordingly.

        But the vast majority of inmates will be released to live in society.  I find it implausible to think that we can treat them like animals and subject them to racist violence and danger every day, then release them and expect them to comport themselves like gentlemen.

        And parole boards typically do not consider release for those who deny their crimes.

        (-7.75, -7.69) No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up - Lily Tomlin

        by john07801 on Wed Aug 12, 2009 at 02:28:00 PM PDT

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