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  •  I personally blame Obama for it. (3+ / 0-)
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    Spit, Larry Bailey, esquimaux

    He says gays shouldn't be allowed to marry. It's really hard to say that out of one side of your mouth while opposing Prop 8 out of the other side, and it's his fault for taking an official position of bigotry.

    •  Fair enough (1+ / 0-)
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      I guess I appreciate the bind that national politicians are in, even if I don't think it's okay or helpful or particularly principled to give such a muddled message in response.

      I suppose what I really mean is that I don't fault Obama for it any more than I fault most of our other national dems for it. Biden does the same shit, and Gore did it, and Clinton did it, and so on. The problem IMO isn't just Obama or any of them individually, it's that our national party is so afraid of taking a stand on gay marriage that the message winds up making no sense to anybody, and actually sometimes winds up quite harmful in the state level fights.

      •  Yeah. I fault them all. Especially Bill Clinton, (5+ / 0-)
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        Spit, PD41, esquimaux, JesseCW, ricardomath

        who did more damage to us than a Republican president ever has or ever will. Fuck that guy. Don't know why the gays still love him.

        For what it's worth, I'm never going to vote for another politician who doesn't support my full equality under the law.

        •  Then Dick Cheney's your man (1+ / 0-)
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          He openly  supports gay marriage.

          •  And if it were between him and Obama, (0+ / 0-)

            and neither changed their stances from where they are now, and if in fact Cheney's stance is actually in favor of gay equality (I personally thought his wording was more equivocal than did most), I'd vote for Cheney.

            I will absolutely not vote for someone who does not support my full equality under the law. If the Democrats don't want me to vote for Cheney in that match-up, they can push Obama to change his stance or they can nominate someone whose position isn't bigotry.

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