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  •  Rome's Obsession (none)
    I agree that Rome used have more consistency, but lately it has become the most obsessed with its control of sex and women. It still refuses to allow women to become priests; it refuses to allow priests to marry (though it accepts married priests from other traditions); it refuses to publicly acknowledge its role in the coverup of worldwide scandal of priests who have raped children or tell us how it will change; it refuses to accept birth control; it has made abortion a litmus test of politics; it is willing to keep gays as second-class citizens; it demands and supports hypocrisy in all things sexual.

    The lack of women and the anti-woman bias in the Roman hierarchy has been a corrupting influence and it is too bad that this Pope, John Paul II, who has been so good in so many other ways, has laid the foundation to continue this corruption well into the future.

    A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. - Emerson

    by freelunch on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 07:21:58 AM PST

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    •  wow (none)
      The lack of women and the anti-woman bias in the Roman hierarchy has been a corrupting influence and it is too bad that this Pope, John Paul II, who has been so good in so many other ways, has laid the foundation to continue this corruption well into the future.

      I totally agree and totally disagree at the same time.  (I am an Orthodox Christian and, as such, regard Rome as both heretical and schizmatic, for the record.)  Yes, we obviously need women in the church; but what does that have to do with the ecclesiastical hierarchy?  The Church may well include women without their holding certain offices.  Unless we're conflating a mere worldly institution with the Body of Christ, offices are simply offices, nothing more.

      •  Worldly Institutions (none)
        However much we want the worldly to be but a small distraction, reality tells us that the world does matter. The way an institution is set up can affect a lot. Orthodox priests, at least, have wives, children and grandchildren. They are not so isolated or insulated from the mundane that they are unable to see how decisions affect their congregations and church bodies or how the most idealistic ones -- say about birth control -- can be the most absurd in practice, or how the isolation of women within the church ends up keeping them from being respected.

        A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. - Emerson

        by freelunch on Tue Nov 30, 2004 at 02:14:33 PM PST

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