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  •  We have other battles to fight as well. (8+ / 0-)

    I'm probably going to get falme'd for saying this, but the climate change fight is actually more important in the long run than the health care fight, and while we were worrying about other things during the spring, Waxman-Markey turned into a coal porkfest.  We need to pay more attention to ACES in the Senate.  (Yes, that's a hint to watch this space for news very soon.)

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    by RLMiller on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 01:54:58 PM PDT

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    •  I won't live to a ripe old age (8+ / 0-)

      by putting climate change legislation first, as important as that is.

      Yes, I'm being selfish in a way, but if I get ill, can't afford to see a doctor, and then end up wasting away, what the heck good am I for a primary fight on climate change legislation?  I'll be dead by then.

      ..Got to admit it's getting better...A little better all the time. ~ Beatles

      by Terre on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 02:10:47 PM PDT

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    •  he's just trying to do so many big things at the (2+ / 0-)
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      same time, which would be less of a problem if they could develop a message and stick to it.

      This user is no longer hiking the Appalachian Trail with her Bar Exam study materials. . . Now what?

      by Muzikal203 on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 02:13:00 PM PDT

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    •  This is where the Democratic Party is failing us. (2+ / 0-)
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      There isn't a cohesive argument for why all of these things matter in the aggregate. That, in fact, the success of the vast majority of working class Americans depends on the smart interventions of collective government.

      Republicans are masters at this. There isn't anything they want to do that they can't directly attach to "Government Sucks!" Everyone of us here can recite their positions from memory about anything: Social Security, defense, tax rates, environmental regulation, blah, blah, blah.

      As long as Democrats keep battling each and every issue through a microscope, we're never going to get the really difficult things done.

      •  Oh Yeah (0+ / 0-)

        You do realize that Conservative policies (if we can call them that) are by default retrogressive, socially destructive, and militarily adventurous. They appeal to the deep-seated negative traits of the American character (warmongering, greed, selfishness,jingoism). As such it is easier for repugs to whip public appeal at the drop of a hat. Democratic policies are more corrective of the negative excesses and so they do not belong to the American people's DEFAULT thinking, unless there is a disaster. Were that not the case, there would be no reason for so many teabaggers to act against their own interests and to show up to scream for the interests of the very people and entities that oppress them.

        "What the cynics fail to understand is that the ground has shifted beneath them." -- Pres. Obama (1/20/2009)

        by zizi on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 05:30:42 PM PDT

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    •  political reforms depends on a healthy populace (0+ / 0-)

      not sure i agree with that. a healthy electorate is essential to achieving socio-economic, political reform, and environmental protections, et al. all of these issues are inter-connected. the first step, i think, if we are being holistic, is to take care of the sick. sick people cannot give birth to civil society, but healthy people can. if we don't have authentic health care reform, it will only be a matter of time, where the rich-poor gap is so wide, and the poor so sick without access to health care, that there won't be anybody left to advocate for environmental protections or government accountability. it may sound hyperbolic, but history and current events across the globe tell this tragic story. but i get what you're saying, nonetheless.

      We are the ones we've been waiting for. -- Barack Obama

      by seeta08 on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 02:37:48 PM PDT

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