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  •  Some of this is just completely wrong (1+ / 0-)
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    joanneleon

    For example your unsupported:

    Assumption 10: The Public Will Go To The Mat Over The Public Option

    is completely refuted by Jonathon Cumberland's diary yesterday: NEW POLL: Support For HC Reform Collapses w/o Public Option, which is actually based on facts - something you provided none of.

    There's a lot more that ranges from deceptive to totally at odds with reality - more than I have time to cover.

    I've found Cumberland, Hamsher and Greenwald a lot more convincing on these issues than this diary.

    Je suis Marxiste, tendance Groucho

    by badger on Thu Aug 20, 2009 at 08:50:47 AM PDT

    •  ok (1+ / 0-)
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      askew

      but didn't I just read a poll about people wanting to keep the government out of Medicare? You have to be careful about relying too much on those things.

      •  Sure, but (1+ / 0-)
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        joanneleon

        This diary is completely unsupported happy assertion - propaganda. The diary I linked has some empirical data.

        You can argue about how the data was collected, how it should be interpreted, but at least it's an argument about reality, and not some fantasy somebody made up to push a particular political agenda.

        Je suis Marxiste, tendance Groucho

        by badger on Thu Aug 20, 2009 at 09:02:17 AM PDT

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    •  The polling is conflicting (1+ / 0-)
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      badger

      (DemFromCT is one of the very few bloggers who has emphasized that the polling on health insurance reform is conflicting and who has also tried to illuminate what the numbers are telling us.)

      The polling is conflicting right now, but it was not conflicting before the right-wing, including elected officials, began a smear campaign and convinced low information voters that the public option was a government take over, death panels, etc.

      The polls that were all over the media yesterday showed how many suckers believed all of those things.  Why would anyone accept that the current polling on the public option is a valid gauge of how people really feel about it when we know that so many of the respondents believe things that are proven outright lies.  

      Given some time and a real effort by the White House to set the record straight (and it will be difficult to get to the people who rely solely on FoxNews and right-wing radio for their information) we should be able to get some more reliable polling on the public option.  It's going to take probably ten times the effort to refute the lies than it did to put them out there, IMHO.  But that doesn't mean that there isn't genuine support for a public option out there.

      I also find the well supported arguments of Hamsher and Greenwald to be much more convincing than the opinions of this diarist.  I would love to agree with some of the opinions of the diarist because it would make things a lot easier and less disconcerting, but there is too much evidence to the contrary.

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