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  •  I'm mystified by this persistent liberal delusion (12+ / 0-)

    that facts and evidence and data are the way to win political debates in this country -- when it's abundantly clear from the past few weeks that the key to success is to act outrageously, spread as many sensationalist lies as possible, and manipulate the ethnic and cultural prejudices of people who are too ignorant and/or stupid to have a freaking clue about the facts and the evidence and the data (and I'm not just talking about the corporate media whores here).

    If Waxman wants to villify the insurance companies, it's easy enough to do that by making shit up. No need -- in our brave new world -- to hassle with the investigations and the documents and stuff.

    When is the liberal left going to face those facts?

    •  So our undoing will be we don't make shit up (2+ / 0-)
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      Actbriniel, COkdub

      Lovely.

      Let the great world spin for ever down the ringing grooves of change. - Tennyson

      by bumblebums on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 05:51:37 PM PDT

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    •  You forget: IOKIYAR (3+ / 0-)
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      sabredance, theworksanddays, middlerd

      The GOP can speak of 'death panels' and the media will host a 'point-counterpoint' roundtable on the subject. Their lies have to get REAL egregious, before they're called out on them.

      We do need facts; not because they sway people to our side, but because if we fudge a campaign contribution number slightly, or gloss over details to make a more salient point, WE ARE called out on it.

      Regards,
      Corporate Dog

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      by Corporate Dog on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 05:56:27 PM PDT

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      •  Getting "called out" just amplifies the lie (1+ / 0-)

        This is a shouting contest, not a debate.

        Which is why when the left tries to do a little populist rabble rousing of its own, the corporate media usually ridicules it briefly, then ignore it completely.

        But you gotta start somewhere. And as chairman of a key House Committee, Waxman can't be ignored quite as easily as us commie agitators on the blogs.

        •  There's no bad press? (0+ / 0-)

          I beg to differ. Depends entirely on how your lie is framed, and how much the media pushes the point that you lied.

          You said as much yourself.

          Regards,
          Corporate Dog

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          We didn't elect Obama to be an expedient president. We elected him to be a great one. -- Eugene Robinson

          by Corporate Dog on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 06:33:00 PM PDT

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