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  •  the results only bolster my personal unofficial (6+ / 0-)

    theory that all this doom-saying, gloom and fear mongering, hand wringing, line in the sand, my way or the highway is positively boosting the oppositions mis and di-information campaigns.

    That although the spotlight on where the information emanates from illuminates and angers the left it merely serves to bolster the right's smugness and makes them feel that their by whatever means necessary tactics work extremely well aaaaand stremnghtens their hand in this poker game of bluff and counter bluff.

    The response from the left should be, in my ever so humble opinion, to rise up en masse and swear eternal fealty to their core prinicples no matter how long it takes. That we have Obama's back in whatever steps he can get passed into law, to re-assure the Blue Dogs that more and more of us will vote for them next time, that WE ARE DEMOCRATS AND WE ARE INVINCIBLE.

    Will that happen?  about as likely as it snowing on Labour Day, but I can dream can't I?

    •  Swear eternal fealty? (6+ / 0-)

      Should we start wearing Democratic gang colors too?

    •  Actually, I think the people he's dropping with (4+ / 0-)
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      already have sworn eternal fealty to their core values, and feel that he's the one who is being too centrist and bipartisan-y.

      Those who labour in the earth are the chosen people of God. - Thomas Jefferson

      by Ezekial 23 20 on Fri Aug 21, 2009 at 09:59:54 AM PDT

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    •  I agree about rising up en mass and swearing (3+ / 0-)
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      eternal fealty to our core principles, but I don't see had that translates into "having Obama's back in whatever steps he can get passed."

      We need to yell at him now so he knows that we DON'T have his back if he sells us out.  I think many people here are too much "Oh, woe is us." "We've lost again." "Obama's sold us out."  I think we need to tell him BEFORE he sells us out to NOT.  More effective that way.  Even if it means calling him "dishonest" now and then.

      Umm, that's PRESIDENT Obama and SENATOR Franken, mr. o'reilly.

      by filby on Fri Aug 21, 2009 at 10:06:10 AM PDT

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      •  we'll have to see hoiw well that strategy works (0+ / 0-)

        won't we.  I have never been much of a one to shame people into doing what you think they should do, I am more one who examines the reality of each situatuion and believes that the best result is the best result you can achieve.

        The reality of governing is a hell of a lot different from the realities of running.  Neither are black or white but many shades of gray. It's probably a genretrational thing and decadres of negotiating with father, lovers, husbands, lawyers, doctors, children, coaches, teachers, employers, grandchildren, daughters in law, mothers in law and the whole menu of individuals one has to negotiate and  compromise with in order to get you though the night and keep it all together.

        I look back on my life personally at the age of 76 and realise how different it would be had I said 'my way or the highway', it would surely and certainly have been the highway and i would definitely be totally alone now.

        Politics is life as far as i am concerned.

    •  Unconditional loyalty (4+ / 0-)
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      gives them Carte Blanche to do what ever they want because there's no means by which to hold them accountable.

      I've been predicting Obama's support would start dropping from the base, and it turns out I was correct in that prediction. They aren't going to Republicans, but they aren't his. If he doesn't fix this he will be another one term president because he will face a challenger from the left in 2012, which will probably siphon enough votes away from him to ensure a Republican win. I doubt Sarah Palin could win over Obama even with the Democratic base abandoning him, but if the GOP fields a credible candidate, even Jeb Bush, they will win.

      I know my favorability rating for Obama has dropped since his administration hasn't strongly backed a public option for health care.

      As I have said before, Obama may be playing 3-dimensional chess, but from my viewpoint it's looking more like checkers every day.

      When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace. -Jimi Hendrix -6.0 -5.33

      by Cali Techie on Fri Aug 21, 2009 at 10:08:49 AM PDT

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      •  I still see the strategy of the chess game (0+ / 0-)

        but must confess that i did not anticipate the possible outcome of being checkmated by his own supporters.

        Ah well, another Bush in the WH  for 8 more years. I'll be dead by then but I feel bad about my grandkids, They had such hope and didn't really understand how fickle the left are, or how shallow and single issue their committment really was.

        I hope I'm wrong and that there are enough of us ordinary hard working middle class folks left out here to keep his back safe in 2012. It is 2010 I am concernd about as i see a distinct possiblity of a re-rerun of 1994.

        It was a great dream while it lasted and i did enjoy the eelction so much and am not seeing anything now I wasn't expecting.

        But I muist admit that my major concern is climate change and that is going to be an even harder sell if the cap and trade uproar is any indication.  If the worst case scenario continues health care won't matter much anyway.  In any event there certainly won't be any ice floes left to put grandma out upon or polar bears to gobble me up. Guess i'll have to settle for the desert and scorpions.

        •  It's not the left that's fickle and shallow (1+ / 0-)
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          Its the politicians. Obama campaigned on this issue. He talked a lot about it while he was running. He said his health care proposal included a public option and it was the cornerstone of his plan.

          Now he's backing away from it and those of us who believed him are feeling like we've been punk'd.

          If anyone is being fickle and shallow on this, it's Obama.

          When the power of love overcomes the love of power the world will know peace. -Jimi Hendrix -6.0 -5.33

          by Cali Techie on Fri Aug 21, 2009 at 10:28:00 AM PDT

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    •  Obama isn't a core principle (1+ / 0-)
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      He is a politician who either will or will not put his efforts behind our policy goals.

      And what kind of poker do you play where we would be empowering the GOP by refusing to accept Obama's pointless (or corrupt) concessions to their corporate-coddling, reform-killing outlook? If the President's goal truly is strong reform, the most vocal anger in support of that same goal would strengthen his ability to win.

      •  I NEVER said Obama was a core principle. If you (0+ / 0-)

        comment on my actual comment re-read it.  

        I said that Democrats should be loyal to their core principles.

        The obvious dilemma and dichomoy in this statement of course is that there is no consensus of what core principles a Democrat has to be loyal to.

        And I personally don't play poker, and don't believe that the president is empowering the GOP, rather calling their bluff, and calling it quite successfully. Three of the Gang of Six, the three Republicans have in fact come out and stated this week that it doesn't matter what they discuss they will say NO anyway.

        That is quite an achievement on calling them out.  When you are president you can practise your strategy, in the meantime I voted for Obama and trust him and his tactics.

        OK?

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