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  •  That seems a bit simplistic to me (1+ / 0-)
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    especially considering that socialism (granted, a very capitalistic/mercantilistic form of it) made its way into the name of the party itself.

    The anti-Jewish thread seems far more consistent and prevalent than the anti-communist/socialist thread. And in fact, as they neutralized the communists and socialists so early, you might wonder why they spent so much effort and so many years going after the Jews if that was such an afterthought.

    I think you mean "Slavs" instead of "Slaves," by the way.

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    by AlanF on Sun Aug 23, 2009 at 12:45:35 PM PDT

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    •  Clearly, you know nothing (2+ / 0-)
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      of substance about the rise of the NSDAP, nor of its priorities. The word "socialist" in its name has nothing to do with socialism. "National Socialism" means fascism.

      The historical record shows that the first categories of people to be interned in concentration camps were communists and social democrats. The Jews and other racial and ethnic groups only came later, once the main enemy, the German working class had been crushed. This is historical fact.

      By the time that the NSDAP went obsessive about Jews, the Reich was falling to pieces. Who knows what motivated them to take Hitler's rants seriously at that point.

      Yes, Slavs, not Slaves, although the two words may be etymologically related. When I was a kid, growing up on US military bases in Germany, my parents hired a Polish (Slav) house keeper, who had a tattoo on her arm showing that she had been a slave (Slav) in a Nazi work camp.

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      by unclejohn on Sun Aug 23, 2009 at 02:47:38 PM PDT

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      •  Clearly, you know nothing (0+ / 0-)

        about what I know. You might try a different lead next time.

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        by AlanF on Sun Aug 23, 2009 at 07:35:45 PM PDT

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      •  Actually, Unclejohnny, one must also make a (1+ / 0-)
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        distinction between concentration camps (mostly in then Germany) which as you correctly noted first housed political opponents of the Nazis (mostly communists and socialists) and death or extermination camps (mostly in the East and Poland in particular) which were camps of extermination.  After the Wannsee conference (1942?), the Nazis formnulated and began to implement their policies of extermination which were largely directed against slavs, political enemies, gypsies, gays and Jews.  The Nazi leadership also believed that the Jews and the Communists were intimately linked together.  One of the best recent works on this subject, although mostly centered on economics, is Adam Tooze's brilliant The Wages of Destruction, winner of the Wolfson prize for history.  

        "Tyranny & oppression are just as possible under democratic forms as under any other...democracy is a life & involves continual struggle." Robert LaFoll

        by fflambeau on Sun Aug 23, 2009 at 08:38:55 PM PDT

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