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  •  Oh nonsense (2+ / 0-)
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    chillindame, two moms in Az

    Utter b.s. A woman who has breasts of any size above A cup will certainly have cleavage when wearing a dress with a neckline more than 5 inches below the bases of the neck. And what is wrong with cleavage? The criticism of women's body parts is downright sexist pure and simple and you know it. Ghivan has no right whatsoever to drag any woman through such sexist muck. Period. And you certainly don't either. Last I checked Michelle Obama is not being paid an allowance for being First Lady. She was on a VACATION with her family for crissakes!

    "What the cynics fail to understand is that the ground has shifted beneath them." -- Pres. Obama (1/20/2009)

    by zizi on Sun Aug 30, 2009 at 03:46:26 PM PDT

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    •  A politician (1+ / 0-)
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      judy99

      regardless of her age, figure, or intellect, would cover her cleavage, unless she's in a ball gown.

      Ghivan has the right, the privilege, the honor, indeed the responsibility, to critique the fashion of public figures, and from all I've seen so far she does a good job of it.  She is insightful, she writes well, and I don't see anything particularly sexist about it.  If men had cleavage, you can be sure I'd insist they keep it covered while performing public services as an elected official.

      Last I checked, Michelle Obama is the First Lady of the United States of America, and it doesn't matter a bit if she doesn't get a paycheck for it. It is an official duty, and she has a staff to help her with it.  And, very much like the President himself, vacation is just a change of location, not a lessening of responsibilities.

      Now all this discussion makes it seem as if I think she has committed some grand faux pas by having the unmitigated gall to be seen in public in such a proletarian fashion as denim shorts.  Which is bullshit; I'm just defending an honest journalist (on the fashion beat, certainly, but a journalist nevertheless) from people who apparently seem to believe that Michelle Obama is Not To Be Criticized.

      That isn't the way it works in my America.

      No KennedyCare = No Health Care Reform

      by the tmax on Sun Aug 30, 2009 at 04:12:41 PM PDT

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      •  according to who? you? (1+ / 0-)
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        zizi

        I'd like to introduce you to the the 21st century.  Most of us live here now, you might like to try it.

        "I will sing you a song no one sang to me...you can be anybody that you want to be

        by two moms in Az on Sun Aug 30, 2009 at 06:19:55 PM PDT

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        •  Thank you (0+ / 0-)

          The commenter is probably Ghivan herself or some such sympathizer. They love to live in the Victorian cage of corsets and bustles deciding that the be all and end all of women is to conform to some chauvinistically-defined ideal of female decorum. i am an ardent feminist and the likes of Ghivan and the commenter above make me very angry. They never say the same about male public figures.

          "What the cynics fail to understand is that the ground has shifted beneath them." -- Pres. Obama (1/20/2009)

          by zizi on Sun Aug 30, 2009 at 07:36:32 PM PDT

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          •  Why would you think the tmax is Ghivan herself? (0+ / 0-)

            There is nothing that I see in previous diaries written by the tmax that indicate a person who is either a fashion writer or one falling into the category of, "They love to live in the Victorian cage of corsets and bustles deciding that the be all and end all of women is to conform to some chauvinistically-defined ideal of female decorum." "They never say the same about male public figures."

            Is this any way to win an argument? By accusing a commenter of being Ghivan or a shill for Ghivan?  By making up an imagined persona of a commenter because you don't agree? the tmax was respectful in his/her comments.

          •  Victorian ideals of decorum (0+ / 0-)

            worked fine in the Victorian era.  I think we have moved beyond that...at least I hope so.  A woman should wear what is appropriate to what she is doing at the time--just like a man should--whether that means a formal or jeans or a beekeepers suit.
             I enjoy fashion, and realize that clothing is important.  I just don't feel that what MO was wearing while on vacation is anything anyone should have made a big whoop about.  If she showed up to a dressy dinner in that outfit, well, ok, fine, lets all throw a fit.  But she didn't.  She is a classy lady, dresses well for each occasion, and doesn't put on airs about who she is.  Refreshing, isn't it?

            "I will sing you a song no one sang to me...you can be anybody that you want to be

            by two moms in Az on Mon Aug 31, 2009 at 03:18:50 PM PDT

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