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  •  NO. (4+ / 0-)
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    Absolutely not.

    That's 100 percent community-vote driven.

    •  I ask because I seriously think that (2+ / 0-)
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      this entire affair looks incredibly questionable.

      I expressed these concerns a while ago via email with Laura.

      Many of us are aware of the working relationship that Jane and Markos have. Now we have three diarists that I know of that are being paid to blog about health care reform - basically by Markos's business partner. Two of these diarists post here pretty much on a daily basis and just about every day those diaries spend the entire day on the rec list. Both of these diarists have pretty much refused and/or gotten defensive any time they've been asked to provide full disclosure about the fact that they're being paid. It makes the entire thing look shady and I think it has the possibility of seriously impacting the credibility of the site.

      I don't think it's a stretch to ask you to imagine a situation where Republicans learn that these diarists are being paid to blog about health care reform - then DKos and FDL and DFA all get accused of an astroturf campaign and any gain in our efforts is now questionable. It doesn't just discredit the few who are getting paid - it has the potential to discredit a ton of actual grassroots work that happens here.

      •  Oh, I get it (6+ / 0-)

        I thought you were asking for information in good faith, about whether Kos Media would ever take money for a diary.

        But your question was really just posed as a segue into the slinkerlink/Eve Beat a Dead horse meta that's been going on all day. That's what "this entire affair" is that you're referring to, I take it? Not the actual subject of THIS diary, serving up ads on our own server and what to expect?

        Don't let me get in the way of you wanting to talk about it more. Although I think a more appropriate spot might be in one of the half-dozen diaries with hundreds of comments already addressing the issue.

        Carry on.

        •  No, I wanted an actual answer. (0+ / 0-)

          And I think it's pretty clearly a question that relates to advertising since there is payment taking place and there is a business relationship between Jane and Markos.

          I'm asking because I'm concerned about the credibility of the netroots as a whole - because if astroturfing accusations start to fly we will all be affected.

          A good percentage of the FP posts here are demands for transparency, but when I ask about transparency and policy here you assume that I'm asking in bad faith. Nice.

          •  There's a business relationship between (0+ / 0-)

            Jane and Markos? Can you expand on that?

            •  They started a publishing company together... (1+ / 0-)
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                So, I am not giving Jane any money by coming to DK? That is all that I was worried about.

                I didn't realize that Jane was so tied into Daily Kos. There should be a netroots family tree or something that explains how all the prominent bloggers relationships with one another. It would make a lot of this stuff easier to understand.

                •  Disclosure is good. (1+ / 0-)
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                  I mean, it's just that simple. If we demand it from politicians and corporations and trad media journalists and pundits, we should demand it from ourselves.

                  •  So please explain to me (0+ / 0-)

                    how this relates to running network advertising again? Vaster isn't a secret, but really a non-entity since it's been inactive since 2008 and only published one book anyhow. So no one discusses it.

                    •  People and organizations pay you to (0+ / 0-)

                      run advertising. I wanted to know if that advertising extended to other things like the rec list. I don't think it's that much of a stretch to ask that considering the SEIU ads that pop up in diaries. It's pretty common to see organizations blog and advertise themselves at the same time - what I wanted to know was - do the business relationships extend into other areas - such as the rec list. And if they don't extend that far, I wanted to make someone aware that the image of potential impropriety is there. I know I'm not the only one who has been questioning that. And Vaster isn't a secret and neither is working together on Netroots Nation or other projects. Money is exchanging hands and I think it's good to know who benefits and how - and that the netroots (just like everyone else) should be transparent about it.

                      We post here all the time about how organizations are advertising on Glenn Beck and how that signifies endorsement, etc. You're here to talk about advertising on the site - I had questions. They relate pretty clearly to me.

            •  Markos, Jane, and I had company (1+ / 0-)
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              together called Vaster, which published one book, Marcy Wheeler's Anatomy of Deceit, in 2007. The company is inactive and has been for quite some time. The company will be officially dissolved very soon.

          •  And you have your answer, then (1+ / 0-)
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            No, we do not accept advertising dollars and never will for diaries.

          •  Oh, and about that bad faith? (0+ / 0-)

            When you ask a question: Do we accept $$ for diaries.

            And I answer, very clearly: NO.

            And you take the opportunity to bring up the same topic you've been bringing up over and over that has NOTHING to do with the question you posed and the very clear and straightforward answer you were given ... well, forgive me for thinking you were using the opportunity to make the point you've made several (ahem)  times today.

            •  My total number of comments on the topic (0+ / 0-)

              at the time I wrote the above question/comment was two, unless you're counting my making fun of an awful strategy to attack our allies on health care reform as comments on the disclosure issue. I don't.

              You're the Editor. I assume you have some say in discussions about transparency and disclosure here. I appreciate your candor, but I wanted to stress that there is the potential for an appearance of impropriety here. I have no desire to see the netroots take a credibility hit for something so simple as a disclosure issue.

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