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  •  That's pretty cynical (2+ / 0-)
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    and I agree with every word :). I don't doubt slinkerwink or nyceve's sincerity (especially the latter) but I think the tactics suck, and I think Hamsher is using those tactics as a "mememe" move. Wouldn't be the first time.

    DKos: The left's home for sanctimonious defeatism since 2008.
    "The last time we broke a president, we got Reagan"--Bush Bites

    by ChurchofBruce on Tue Sep 01, 2009 at 03:52:55 PM PDT

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    •  Well, the alternative isn't much better. (3+ / 0-)
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      The alternative is that she's such a zealot on that one bill that she'd risk alienating allies with her open, naked distrust of their motives.

      That's a possibility.

      The alternative that I spoke of gives her credit for being politically savvy enough to think that she could get additional people to sign pledges by essentially questioning their loyalty to progressive policies.  That she doesn't grant outright that there is serious overlap between those who advocate single payer, but are willing to vote for a Public Option is telling.

      Reject the drama like Barack Obama!

      by Stephen Daugherty on Tue Sep 01, 2009 at 04:45:50 PM PDT

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      •  What bugs me (3+ / 0-)
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        is just the whole purity bullshit.

        Look, given a choice between a bill that has crummy coops and no public option but that also puts some real limits on insurance companies (can't kick people off for getting sick, can't exclude for preexisting conditions forever), I'd want my rep to vote yes.

        It's NOT what I want. (I want single payer and would settle for a public option). But I'm 44 years old and this issue has been on the table my entire life, and half a loaf is better than none.

        DKos: The left's home for sanctimonious defeatism since 2008.
        "The last time we broke a president, we got Reagan"--Bush Bites

        by ChurchofBruce on Tue Sep 01, 2009 at 05:41:35 PM PDT

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        •  It was on Kennedy's table all of his life too (1+ / 0-)
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          John Podesta: "...When it came to reaching across the aisle and forging compromise and getting something done -- Senator Kennedy was simply in a league of his own. This great man bridged the idealism and purpose of an earlier generation and helped usher its revival today."

          hmmm...will they ever forgive John Podesta?

          highly unlikely

          "Show up. Pay attention. Tell the truth. And don't be attached to the results." -- Angeles Arrien

          by Sybil Liberty on Tue Sep 01, 2009 at 08:46:37 PM PDT

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      •  The thing is Jane did this before on the war (2+ / 0-)
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        supplemental. She bullied progressives into pledging to vote against the bill, then bragged that she was kicking Rahm's ass. When the inevitable happened and Rahm twisted the progressives arms into voting for the war supplemental, Jane lashed out at the progressives and Rahm. Now, she is repeating the same pattern.

      •  "pledging" and "power moves" (0+ / 0-)

        ....reminiscent of a very wrong-headed college sorority of sorts.

        "Show up. Pay attention. Tell the truth. And don't be attached to the results." -- Angeles Arrien

        by Sybil Liberty on Tue Sep 01, 2009 at 08:34:41 PM PDT

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