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  •  That's the most likely (4+ / 0-)

    scenario.  Palestinian political reconciliation, unilateral declaration of independence, admission to the UN,   Probably by spring next year.    Expect strong Israeli resistance, for obvious reasons.

    Perhaps some sort of federation is in the future for the two nations.  

    Those who hear not the music-think the dancers mad

    by Eiron on Mon Sep 07, 2009 at 03:24:29 AM PDT

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    •  That's what I expect alright (3+ / 0-)
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      Expect strong Israeli resistance, for obvious reasons.

      but what would be different under this scenario is that it won't be enough to overcome the overwhelming pressure from a world community which can't be demonized like the Hamas scapegoat.

      "It takes two to lie. One to lie, one to hear it." Homer Simpson

      by Euroliberal on Mon Sep 07, 2009 at 04:47:49 AM PDT

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      •  imagine a scenario (3+ / 0-)
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        in which an independent Palestine closes its airspace to Israeli military aircraft, and denies passage of Israeli military forces.  

        Those who hear not the music-think the dancers mad

        by Eiron on Mon Sep 07, 2009 at 04:59:46 AM PDT

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        •  Under all the two state solutions (2+ / 0-)
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          From the Clinton plans to Bush's roadmap all the two state solutions included that Israel's military would have free reign over the new Palestine's airspace.

          Also in all the proposals was a ban on Palestine having an army. Of course that kind of undermines the idea of an independent state, not being in full control of its own military policy or airspace but that was what was included in all the two state talks.  

          "You show me a capitalist, and I'll show you a bloodsucker." - Malcolm X

          by Dr Marcos on Mon Sep 07, 2009 at 06:11:38 AM PDT

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          •  Exactly, true (4+ / 0-)

            But if Palestine declares independence and becomes a State with all the rights and responsibilities of a state, it is a different scenario.    

            Those who hear not the music-think the dancers mad

            by Eiron on Mon Sep 07, 2009 at 06:42:39 AM PDT

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            •  and that is why (3+ / 0-)
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              it's the best move for them. When will they realize it?

              "It takes two to lie. One to lie, one to hear it." Homer Simpson

              by Euroliberal on Mon Sep 07, 2009 at 07:04:12 AM PDT

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              •  Well, the obstacles are: (4+ / 0-)

                the difficulties in reconciling Hamas and Fatah (and some of the minor parties).  Meshaal is in Cairo with Abbas last week, so maybe there is movement.

                The second is the potential for violence by the Israeli settlers, and perhaps even the State of Israel, on the Palestinians.

                But, I predict it will happen, unless ISrael begins and concludes a final borders agreement post haste.  

                Those who hear not the music-think the dancers mad

                by Eiron on Mon Sep 07, 2009 at 07:11:06 AM PDT

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            •  what if Iran is factored into negotiations (1+ / 0-)
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              Ahmadinejad has said several times that Iran would support a solution that Palestinians had the right to determine/vote on.

              With that opening, a diplomat with the skills of George Mitchell could get Iran on board with whatever steps toward self-determination the Palestinians decide upon.

              But how would that work:  Would Iran's agreement to step back from interference in Palestine IF Israel genuinely ceded self-determination to the Palestinians be enough to assuage Israel's fury at Iran, or does Israel NEED to have Iran to be furious with as a pressure-release for the angst that will surely follow the concession of self-determination to Palestinians?

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