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  •  As a starting point for negotiations (1+ / 0-)
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    capelza

    and in the absence of any other basis for a legitimate claim for territorial sovereignty, why not?

    Until it is superseded by a another treaty or agreement, that's all there is.  Let final borders be negotiated and settled.   Both parties have their starting points.  

    The Israeli Labor governments have pursued a course of developing lands adjacent to, but across the green line, hoping to retain them in a final agreement.  

    Obama seems to want to see that discussion happen sooner than later.  And I support that.

    If the '67 lines are ok with the Palestinians, fine by me.   The Arab league, the Obama Administration, the EU all seem to be OK with the '67 lines.   Israel would like some adjustments.  

    Those who hear not the music-think the dancers mad

    by Eiron on Mon Sep 07, 2009 at 04:12:12 AM PDT

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      capelza, Terra Mystica, Gracian

      "As a starting point for negotiations and in the absence of any other basis for a legitimate claim for territorial sovereignty, why not?"

      There is another basis, though. It's the international consensus two-state settlement, which has broad international political and legal support, unlike the '47 plan, which has virtually none.

      In any case, we don't need a "starting point" for negotiations. We already know what a two-state settlement will have to look like, as we've known for over 30 years. What's needed now is for the US and Israel to accept it.

      "The Israeli Labor governments have pursued a course of developing lands adjacent to, but across the green line, hoping to retain them in a final agreement."

      They've built all over the West Bank, and their position on a final settlement is no less rejectionist than the Likud's.

      "Obama seems to want to see that discussion happen sooner than later.  And I support that."

      This isn't about having a "discussion". We've had years of "discussion", all of which has been fruitless because the basic problem has been left unresolved: Israel refuses to withdraw to its legal borders. It isn't going to be talked into doing so; that will take some serious pressure, and Obama has shown no indication that he will provide it.

      "If the '67 lines are ok with the Palestinians, fine by me.   The Arab league, the Obama Administration, the EU all seem to be OK with the '67 lines.   Israel would like some adjustments."

      If by "adjustments" you mean that Israel insists on annexing a large portion of the West Bank, preventing the Palestinians from establishing a viable, territorially contiguous state and refusing to return East Jerusalem to serve as the capital of a future Palestinian state, then that statement is accurate. If you're referring to the "mutual" and "minor" border adjustments allowed for by 242, then it's not: the Palestinians have in the past been willing to 'adjust' the border to take into account Israel's systematic land theft; the problem is that "mutual" and "minor" land swaps have never been enough for Israel.

      •  A big problem (2+ / 0-)
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        capelza, Terra Mystica

        has been the absence of  defined borders for the State of Israel.  Israel has persistently exploited this ambiguity by expansion into 'disputed" areas (as long as they are disputed, they are fair game, goes the reasoning).

        So Israel has a negative incentive to negotiate final borders.  

        So, the '67 lines are as good as any.   Draw that line in the sand, let the Palestinians declare independence, defining their borders as west of the '67 line.

        Those who hear not the music-think the dancers mad

        by Eiron on Mon Sep 07, 2009 at 04:34:52 AM PDT

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