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  •  do you seriously know the history of (1+ / 0-)
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    the many times the Italian peninsula was conquered, the many ways the disparate populations who lived on the same Italian geography were as different from each other as the the (semitic) Arabs are from the (semitic) Jews? Do you seriously realize that over the course of as much as half a millenia persons who lived on the Italian peninsula lived there as vassals of occupying powers?  
    Get back to me when you've expanded your historic database.

    •  what do your posts have to do with (0+ / 0-)

      this discussion? Pisa and Genoa are now in one country, London and Paris are in different countries, Prague and Bratislava, Moscow and Kiev used to be in the same country, they are now in different countries. What the hell do your irrelevant posts about the history of Italy have to do with the fact that the Jews and Palestinians (arabs) don't share the same culture, religion, language, don't enjoy similar economic status, have been murdering each other for the last 200 hundred years and will certainly be unable to get along within one state for generations to come.

      •  is there an ignore function on this forum? (0+ / 0-)

        you seem to be spouting off just to vent spleen.  
        Knock yourself out.

      •  lacking an ignore button (1+ / 0-)
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        your claim that

        Jews and Palestinians (arabs) don't share the same culture, religion, language, don't enjoy similar economic status,

        seems to do battle with the notion that the land to which Palestinians are indigenous was also the land to which Jews were indigenous.

        Palestinians and Jews are both offspring of Abraham; it is not at all unlikely that many Palestinians are descendants of the lost tribes; it is not at all unlikely that indigenous Palestinians are descendants of the ancient Hebrews who were "left behind" when Nebuchadnezzar exiled the Hebrew elite to Babylon, where 75% of them remained.  

        In short, there are probably more degrees of connectivity between Jews and Palestinians than between Germanic tribes who settled Northern Italy, indigenous Etruscans, Greeks and Nordic tribes who settled Southern Italy, Spain, which ruled large parts of Italy for several centuries, etc.

        But the larger point is that peoples have had major conflicts of monumental intensity over great spans of years, and have eventually achieved relatively peaceful coexistence.  It can happen again.

        •  we all came from the same monkey (1+ / 0-)
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          (according to Darwin at least) and still we have more than two hundred states on the planet. And incidentally the number of states is increasing, not decreasing, making the creation of a Jewish and Palestinian state more logical and more in line with the trend on the planet.

          And no, peoples did not just go from major conflicts to "relatively peaceful coexistence" the process took hundreds of years of bloodshed, oppression, riots, exploitation, pogroms, murders, persecutions, uprisings etc and  at the end mostly failed. And that's exactly the kind of future that the proponents of a two state solution are trying to avoid for both Jews and Palestinians. And that's exactly the kind of future that people like you (well meaning as you may be) are pushing them into.

          It's not going to work Mac, the Jews don't give a shit  about Genoa and Pisa, they have their own 2000 years of history and you'll have to pry their state and their majority status out of their cold dead hands. Isn't it obvious?

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