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  •  I look at it a little differently (3+ / 0-)
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    Obama and the Dems have already done more than enough to blow 2010 and 2012 out the window.  They did that when they let unemployment get up over 9%.  They did that when they gave away hundreds of billions to banks who keep screwing Main Street.  I think the people that desperately want any bill passed because they need a win will have a rude awakening in 2010 if the bill is crap.  They're already way behind on points, and need a lot more than any old bill to come back.

    •  How'd they "let" unemployment go over 9% ? (6+ / 0-)

      Conditions leading to that, as well as the bank bail-out, were legacies of the prior administration. You, like many Republicans, apparently would prefer to forget that part.

      "The required presence of health professionals did not make interrogation methods safer, but sanitized their use" Physicians for Human Rights

      by Catte Nappe on Mon Sep 07, 2009 at 09:05:24 AM PDT

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      •  The Dems own it now (0+ / 0-)
        that's just reality.  And they could have done more to get that 8% unemployment rate they predicted, like a bigger stimulus.

        And really, there were ways to do the bank bailout that didn't enrich the corporations.

      •  Weak stimulus bill (1+ / 0-)
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        not big enough and not adequately focused on job creation.

        They used the same wishy washy excuses to cave to the minority party's demand.

        We need NEW Democrats in DC - Dems who aren't afraid of their own shadow.

        Private health insurers always manage to stay one step ahead of the sheriff - Sen. Sherrod Brown

        by Betty Pinson on Mon Sep 07, 2009 at 09:48:02 AM PDT

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        •  The only reason the stimulas (1+ / 0-)
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          bill wasn't larger was because of GOP resistance.

          BTW, CLinton in '93 tried to get a tiny $18 billion stinulas package through Congress and failed.

          Obama got an $800 Billion stimulus package through Congress which is now kicking in and has help stop the free fall in the economy.

          If Obama can ram through a public option health care reform bill this fall he will have had the most productive year in office since LBJ in '65.

          Let's see what happens before throwing in the towel.

          11/4 Changed Everything - Now, Henceforward, and Forever.

          by Sam I Am on Mon Sep 07, 2009 at 01:35:30 PM PDT

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          •  Fair argument (0+ / 0-)

            Hopefully Obama can revisit the idea of a second stimulus focused more on job creation.

            Agree, Obama has the potential to make his first year in office one of the greatest in history.  I think he knows that, too, but I hope he's resisting the idea of abandoning bold steps in favor of timid ones packaged as something big.

            Private health insurers always manage to stay one step ahead of the sheriff - Sen. Sherrod Brown

            by Betty Pinson on Mon Sep 07, 2009 at 02:42:26 PM PDT

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          •  Clinton passed a great budget (0+ / 0-)

            in 93 that ended up turning the economy around, creating jobs and reducing a large part of the deficit.  I was happy to volunteer at the event when he announced his new budget.   Historic day, but the news media was sure cynical.

            Actually Al Gore played a major role in developing and pushing that budget, too, so he deserves credit.  He cast the deciding vote in the Senate, I recall watching it on CSPAN.  

            Private health insurers always manage to stay one step ahead of the sheriff - Sen. Sherrod Brown

            by Betty Pinson on Mon Sep 07, 2009 at 02:45:38 PM PDT

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        •  I agree with your critique of the shortcomings o (0+ / 0-)

          the stim, but what we got was what was politically possible at the time. And, no matter how one slices or dices it, pumping $787 billion into the social economy is nothing to deride or dismiss.

    •  Last I heard, the U6 figure, which is more (0+ / 0-)

      accurate than your quoted U3 unemployment statistic, was over 16%. But I agree with you on this much: the Dems have farted around and resurrected the Repugs, and a bad HCR bill will not help them next year.

      When an old man dies, a library burns down. --African proverb

      by Wom Bat on Mon Sep 07, 2009 at 10:42:32 AM PDT

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