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  •  I wish we had the votes, but we don't. (3+ / 0-)
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    Everyone is so up and arms right now for the public option that we are not seeing the reality of the situation. The blue dog democrats hold the cards to this bill passing. They are the ones holding a gun to the democrats and president obama's head saying....WE ARE NOT VOTING FOR THIS BILL WITH A PUBLIC OPTION!! So what in the hell is he supposed to do? He can threaten, he can plead, he can yell, he can scream, he can hold up a pen and say, I will not sign a bill that doesn't have the public option, and the blue dogs will still say, I AM NOT SIGNING THIS BILL with a public option
    .So the only other option at this point is to sign a reconcilliation bill, ram it down with a majority vote and VIOLA we have a semi-bill that can be repealed in 5 years by the then republican control congress and senate because the blue dogs will pay dearly in their districts for allowing a bill being rammed down with only their party in power. Then when the bill is repealed we are back to square one with no bill that is LAW that reforms healthcare. Is that what we want?

    Shit, I want the god damn public option too, but we don't have the votes!! If we had 70 democratic votes that we could pass it without the blue dogs but we don't. So we have to settle for plan b option which is a trigger. I can settle for that because if we don't pass a bill...GOD HELP US in the next election cause we will pay dearly.

    •  It's sad how many people have no clue how (4+ / 0-)

      legislation actually gets passed. It's as if Obama could wave a wand and magically conjure up the votes. I'm guessing this is how these folks define "governing" or "leadership" - apparently both of these things (although no one is willing to define what they constitute) will magically get us the votes for health care reform.

    •  Oh we have them (5+ / 0-)

      with reconciliation.  And somehow the administration has allowed this to be painted as the nuclear option.  When it was used repeatedly by republicans to get their agenda.

      Excuse while I go scratch my head on this one.

    •  Better to pay now (5+ / 0-)

      First, I disagree with your assessment.

      But given your assessment as a baseline, I would say that it is better to stand with the House Progressive Caucus and say that if a bill is presented with no public option, then VOTE NO, let it fail this year, and take the heat for it. There is good reason to believe that the ones who will take the heat in 2010 will be the Blue Dogs and the Republicans who stood against it.

      I would rather let a bad bill die than accept YET ANOTHER corporate give-away. And that's exactly what a healthcare bill with 100% mandate and no public option would be.

      "Respect for the rights of others is peace." Benito Juarez

      by Blue Boy Red State on Mon Sep 07, 2009 at 09:25:30 AM PDT

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    •  Bingo...and read this: (0+ / 0-)

      Some little-discussed aspects of reconciliation:

      and this, too:

      Obama's pragmatic health care strategy, by Norm Ornstein:

    •  what does it say about (3+ / 0-)

      Democrats that even when in the majority, they don't stand up for the little guy? Why do we work to elect them, again?

    •  Then I don't have any money (1+ / 0-)
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      for a campaign contribution, unless its going to a real Democrat to replace the ones who whine about "not having enough votes".

      Private health insurers always manage to stay one step ahead of the sheriff - Sen. Sherrod Brown

      by Betty Pinson on Mon Sep 07, 2009 at 09:50:44 AM PDT

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    •  a bill that CAN be repealed is is Bill that CAN (0+ / 0-)

      be strengthened.

      Whereas a bill with merely a trigger? the trigger hurdle could as well get strengthened and the public option never arrive.

      You write

      So the only other option at this point is to sign a reconcilliation [sic] bill, ram it down with a majority vote

      the above point is EXACTLY what is needed

      and VIOLA we have a semi-bill that can be repealed in 5 years

      Here is where you insert opinion as if it were inevitable. Not only is this scenario not inevitable, rather, history - based on my experience as a congressional staffer - pushes for entropy instead of the repeal that you write of.

      Loss of some Dems is inevitable but repeal is not.

      Entropy will if anything make what is in place more surely stuck - i.e., the 'never get there trigger' that gets delayed and delayed - (which is bad)


      the public option which remains and gets stronger when people see it in practice and realize how great it is

      ['who you gonna believe' is what will happen if the Repubs run against the public option after we've gotten it into law - us? or your lying eyes?]

      We will restore science to its rightful place....We will harness the sun and the winds and the soil .... All this we can do. And all this we will do.

      by puffmeister on Mon Sep 07, 2009 at 10:59:38 AM PDT

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