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  •  I was hoping someone would point that out to... (3+ / 0-)
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    Uberbah, Radical Moderate, brein

    ...the commenter who was so sure they're all rich people. As you note, they are not and therein lies the pitifulness of the middle, lower-middle, and poor perceiving themselves as having the same political interests as wealthy people.

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    by Larry Bailey on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 09:06:08 AM PDT

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    •  What's that quote from "1776"? (3+ / 0-)
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      "Don't forget that most men with nothing would rather protect the dream of becoming rich, rather than face the reality of being poor", I believe?

      Sums up rather nicely how the Repubs get so many people to vote against their own interests time & again...

      •  Playing devil's advocate (1+ / 0-)
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        There are probably those who think that they are consciously voting against their own possible economic self-interest (at least in some respects) in order to uphold ideals, whether those ideals be "freedom" (including the "free" of "free market") or socially conservative beliefs. They probably think it's crass for us to expect them them to favor the party that would give them "handouts." Then, of course, there are those who think that the Republicans really are better for their economic interest because they'll give them the lowest income tax.

        Of course, I disagree on both counts, and think that both ways of thinking are the results of indoctrination. But I doubt that all of these people are simplistic enough to think, against all evidence, that they are or will become rich.

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        by AlanF on Wed Sep 09, 2009 at 01:03:48 PM PDT

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        •  Mmm, indoctrination (2+ / 0-)
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          That and the constant focus on 'culture war' issues, to obscure the fact that the Repub policies are against the self-interest of the working class Repubs (for said voters).

          Plus I think there has been such serious economic indoctrination since Reagan -- before then too of course, but at least the Fairness Doctrine was around at that time -- that people probably believe tax cuts are inherently good and the government, at least for social programs, is totally and 100% incompetent unlike private corporations.

          Combined with the smashing of public education (another Reagan gift to the country, oh yays!), shifts in the media...perfect recipe for long-term Repub indoctrination in those groups.

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