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  •  I spend much of my time (none)
    here admitting error, as I make so many errors.  And I spend a great deal of time trying to put my ego in as small a box as I can find.  Obviously I am not successful.

    And again I wasn't making a personal attack.  I was recounting an memory of your posting behavior that had a very strong impact on me and my experiences at dKos. That's not a personal attack.  I have not advocated that anyone else make judgements based upon my experience. And I was responding to writer Carl by telling him that he wasn't one who stuck out, even though he admitted that he was one of the crowd.

    Quite frankly, I don't understand how anything in this post is a response to my post or to this thread, as it has nothing to do with the context of the thread.  I wasn't gossiping nor attacking.  Nor have I "refused to acknowledge the socially constructive value or responding to the content of a message rather than the messenger" because I don't know what the hell you are talking about with that remark.  My entire response to you was about the content of your posts to Melanie and that's what I did respond to. It taught me not to see you as a poster who was particularly interested in discussions or in community.  And I have acted accordingly since then. I have not insulted you or troll rated you ever.  I have taken issue with many things you have said because I have disagreed with them strongly, but that is what I do generally with people I disagree with.  Either that or I ignore them because expressing disagreement isn't worth the time, and the issue isn't important enough to me to express a dissenting or alternative viewpoint.  That's the other thing I do with you.

    If I seem to have no empathy for the people behind the screen names, then I have failed in my two years here at dKos. Because empathy is what I have strived for almost as often as I have strived to see things from multiple perspectives. In that case it would seem that I have not only made many more errors than I am even capable of recognizing but that Markos has as well. It is certainly worth a bit of my time to reconsider my acceptance of the guest poster position. I've been rather unsure about it anyway.  

    In a democratic society some are guilty, but all are responsible. -Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel

    by a gilas girl on Sun Dec 05, 2004 at 06:47:35 PM PST

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    •  Trying to clarify (none)
      Nor have I "refused to acknowledge the socially constructive value or responding to the content of a message rather than the messenger" because I don't know what the hell you are talking about with that remark.

      I'm not sure how to make it any clearer.

      You used the words "I" "me" and "my" more than twenty-five  times in the comment I am responding to.

      You didn't use the word "we" even once.

      My whole point was about us as a community, and which behaviors we engage in as individuals are constructive, and which is not.

      I wish you would put aside your personal issues and join me in saying that the community would benefit if people a) responded to substance, rather than judging the messenger, and b) would refrain from speaking disparagingly in the third-party about other members. I fail to see what is so complicated or difficult about that.

      "The problems of today will not be solved by the same thinking that produced the problems in the first place" - Albert Einstein

      by galiel on Sun Dec 05, 2004 at 07:17:31 PM PST

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      •  I still don't understand what you are talking abou (none)
        I don't know how to be plainer.  

        Yes I used "I" and "me" because I was talking about me.  To use "we" in that instance would be presumptuous.  At least in the world where I was raised.  I use the first person often, even when I am doing social science research, because the use of plurals or even dispassionate third person (or passive) language creates a certainty that I find is often overstated. I use it here because, as someone who's belief system lies outside the consensus or critical mass viewpoints of the dKos (in the very vague ways which that can be ascertained, also with degrees of uncertainty), I'm aware of how what it looks like to me is contingent upon that position of outside the frame.  When its warranted (or when I believe it it is warranted, sometimes I"m wrong) I will use the plural, but I'm careful not to force that where it might be inappropriate. You posted something about me, I responded to that post. There wasn't anything in it about the community, except in the way that your rather formalized and disconnected discussions about community are woven throughout everything you post. Your discussions of community are so far afield from my own understanding of them, my experience of them or my ideals of them, that I generally just don't engage them.  To be quite honest, most of the time I don't really know what you are talking about because you address it at a level of abstraction that renders it relatively meaningless to me.  There are others who function at that level of abstraction far better than I and I leave it up to them, aware of those limitation of mine.

        If you didn't want me to talk about me when you posted your second to last post, then I misread it. And now I'm even more embarrassed than I was before.  Because if it is true that post wasn't about me, then your accusations of my egotism and egoism is quite true: altho I suspect that narcicissm is probably the more accurate diagnosis in that case.

        I don't get what you are talking about so there's probably no point in continuing the exchange. Besides, I have some thinking to do, obviously.

        In a democratic society some are guilty, but all are responsible. -Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel

        by a gilas girl on Sun Dec 05, 2004 at 08:08:43 PM PST

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    •  AGG (none)
      Lady, is this guy bothering you?

      Listen, he's full of shit and I'm tired of his harping on you. You are as empathic as this medium can convey, and I, for one, want very much for you to speak out. The clarity and civility with which you have presented your case, shared your feelings about past events and now, even question whether you can be comfortable here ARE the reasons why you have been chosen and why I speak out in support.

      You haven't been around as much in the last few months, it seemed to me, so I was very glad to see you become a first-stringer.

      Besides, I've always had a crush on you ever since I thought you were a woman living in the Gila Mountains.

      don't always believe what you think

      by claude on Sun Dec 05, 2004 at 09:28:24 PM PST

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