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  •  I'm curious (4.00)
    as to why you would say

    "They never thought it would kill 3000 americans."

    I can find no reason to believe that anyone who might be involved in such a conspiracy would bat an eyelash at the deaths of 3000 innocent people. They would consider it "collateral damage". A lower casualty count might have allowed the Dems in congress some wiggle room. So far I haven't seen them shying away from killing indiscriminately.  

    "If I pay a man enough money to buy my car, he'll buy my car." Henry Ford

    by johnmorris on Sun Dec 05, 2004 at 07:26:16 PM PST

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    •  3000 deaths = massive investigation (none)
      but fortunately for Bush and Cheney, Dems in Congress were all cowards. Cheney called Dachsle to tell him not to initiate any investigations and Daschle agreed. I was so happy when Daschle lost even though we lost a senate seat.

      ALL 911 papers are classified now so we won't know until the archives are open 30 years from now. If you all notice, NORAD and FAA evidences are classified.

      OBL's brother and the Saudis provided logistic and financial support for hijackers but they were allowed to leave right after 911.

      •  When you say: (none)
        OBL's brother and the Saudis provided logistic and financial support for hijackers but they were allowed to leave right after 911.

        Can you provide a link?

        http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Feingold08/

        by Eternal Hope on Sun Dec 05, 2004 at 08:21:46 PM PST

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      •  If they ever open them. (none)
        "ALL 911 papers are classified now so we won't know until the archives are open 30 years from now."

        Ah, yes, back in the old days when we could rely on the Administration opening up records to the public.  Now, of course, we've got "Bushco: Secrecy Specialists".  (sigh)

      •  Daschle really was a pussy (none)
        wasn't he?  I'm so glad that unprincipled fuckwad is gone.  Too bad another one replaced him as Senate Minority Leader.  

        "He that lieth down with dogs, shall rise up with fleas." - Ben Franklin

        by Subterranean on Mon Dec 06, 2004 at 07:26:49 PM PST

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    •  Tin-foil (4.00)
      Let's face it... it is very hard to imagine any American signing off on the destruction of lower Manhattan just so they could make a buck (or even billions of them).

      Any conspiracy that involved such a plot would have to be very small, just for internal security reasons alone.

      A different kind of conspiracy would be to ignore pleadings to ramp up the budget for counter-terrorism, or to take preemptive action, because you have plans to exploit the next terror attack, whenever or wherever it happens.

      That is a much more believeable conspiracy than the ones that involve a complete stand down of NORAD, and no patriots willing to complain.

      So, in this scenario, Bush-Cheney are guilty of cynically failing to protect the country, but not of complicity in the attacks.  Perhaps, if they had understood the magnitude of the threat they would have taken action.

      However, it is very possible that a small clique of deranged Air Force Generals and Soldier of Fortune subscribers could have exploited their positions and expertise to facilitate the training of misguided heroin smuggling jihadis.

      It is equally possible that a bunch of crazed Russians would do it to try to kill our missile defense shield's support in Congress.

      Bottom line, no one can pull of such a stunt who isn't a veteran of the intelligence game, even if it is only as a major league narco-trafficker.

      "What can I say? I just tip my hat and call the Yankees my daddy." -Pedro Martinez

      by BooMan23 on Sun Dec 05, 2004 at 08:25:50 PM PST

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      •  More to it than this (none)
        BooMan,

        Have you factored into it that no one has been able to prove, definitely, that it was indeed Atta on the plane that day? We have his video going through security in Portland ... but then nothing afterwards, nothing in Logan, and no one on the commuter flight (which was relatively small) remembers seeing anyone who looked like him.

        I think the theory about Al-ghamdi being the more likely pilot of Flt 175, if he had some military training, makes sense ... it's been a huge mystery as to how Ash-shehhi, who was a pretty lousy flight student, was able to bank that turn over the harbor at a speed which should have broken the 767 into pieces, then be cool enough to angle the plane as it hit Tower Two so that it would cause more damage (as indeed it did ... hit later, the tower collapsed sooner).

        •  Honestly (4.00)
          I have no way of knowing whether Atta was on the flight, or whether he piloted it.  

          You have to remember that we have cockpit recordings for Flight 11, "We have some planes", and the NSA had cell phone recordings of Atta talking to KSM.  So presumably we are capable of figuring that information out.

          Maybe the 9/11 Commission did that work, or asked for it to be done.

          Also remember that the families of Flight 93 victims were allowed to listen to cockpit tapes, and they definitely involved Arabs who had commandeered the plane.

          So, you can throw out all the theories about remote control, or there not really being Arabs involved.

          But I agree that the Flight School training might have been a cover.  Also all the materials they left in their cars to be discovered.

          "What can I say? I just tip my hat and call the Yankees my daddy." -Pedro Martinez

          by BooMan23 on Sun Dec 05, 2004 at 09:53:59 PM PST

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