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  •  Pregnancy vs. Parenthood (none)
    I think some minor correction is needed here ... not every pregnancy turns into parenthood.  The statistics are for women between 15 and 19 who have delivered children, right?  Not sure, though.

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    by bink on Mon Dec 06, 2004 at 11:54:16 AM PST

    •  Live births was the term I read (none)
      in the document (although admittedly, I only scanned it).

      My reading is that this is for pregnancies brought to term and doesn't include those that were terminated.

      So a Red Stater could turn this into a "see how many more abortions those liberal freaks have?"

      Did anyone else get a different impression of the data?

    •  Red States Need More Abortion! (1.50)
      Those kids in the Red States should start killing more of their fetuses.  Get those numbers down.  Or, maybe the blue states should stop killing their kids, get their numbers up to the national average.  Or maybe all children should slow down their rate of copulating.

      Or maybe we could give them more guns.  That might fix the problem too.

      There's plenty of solutions to these problems.  

    •  yes (none)
      Yes, that's correct. It says "Teen Parent Rate," not "Teen Pregnancy Rate." And the CDC report mentions this as well.

      And it's hardly a minor correction. Sorry, but this chart doesn't tell us much. It could just be saying that teenagers in red states are choosing more often to have their babies instead of abort them. Which is what pro-life people would want.

      •  But do they keep their babies? (none)
        I watched a news magazine- 20/20 or 60 minutes recently where they discussed infant abandonment.  They found 13 of them in one year in Houston alone and put up billboards to encouage women that there were other options.  

        One of the women who abandoned her child said that when the baby was born she didn't think about the fact that it was her baby... she just needed to do something with it so she wrapped it in a tee shirt and then in a plaid shirt and took it downstairs and put it in the garbage can outside her dorm and went about her business.

        And then there's the woman who cut off her baby's arms and watched her bleed to death...

        You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out God hates all the same people you do... Anne Lamott

        by crkrjx on Mon Dec 06, 2004 at 01:10:41 PM PST

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      •  red state pregnancy (none)
        So what if blue staters are having more abortions.  Even if they are having enough abortions to make the stats even, red-staters have still failed to come up with a viable alternative to the reality of teen pregnancy.

        Is it not a hypocrisy of values to have so many teen pregnancies?  It has been my impression that the teenage mothers' in the two red states I have lived in (both "top 10" states, woo) are almost glorified for "doing the right thing," i.e.  committing themselves to a life of single parenthood, "welfare-mom" status, the lack of an education in most cases, etc.  And I don't think I need to point out what the right thinks of all those types of people, despite the fact that they are the wonderfully moral ladies refusing/unable to get abortions.

        Ok, ok, so teen sex is condemned too...up until the girl becomes pregnant.  Which is good, we should be supportive of girls in that situation.  But again with the red state double standard: what do they do about the men impregnating these girls?  Where is the outcry that statutory rape laws are so seldom enforced?  Why are deadbeat dads not as big a national issue as abortions?  It takes two to tango, yet all too often the victims of teen pregnancy/abstinence only education/unavailability of birth control are women only.

        "Loyalty to country: always. Loyalty to government: when it deserves it." -Mark Twain

        by quackard on Mon Dec 06, 2004 at 01:22:14 PM PST

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        •  You hit on many themes (none)
          ..all valid and related to unwanted pregnancies across the country - not just in the so called "red states".

          Unwanted pregnancies have one of two outcomes 1) they are terminated or miscarried or 2) the young moms have the baby.  

          Nationally, our teen pregancy rate is going down, though rates of unmarried women having babies has been going up.  

          This whole discussion and the "facts" behind the statistics is actually quite complex but has been simplified and made a lightining rod for way too many so called progressives who post on Kos.  I say so called because many of the comments that I read are breathtakingly judgmental and downright prejudiced - both culturally and economically.  Any republican red stater reading here would have their beliefs about so called liberals re-affirmed.

          I ask, what happened to progressive ideas and values?  We used to say thinkgs like that the distribution of wealth and power in our country did not empower the average person and that the outcome of that was a culture of huge disparities that was difficult to escape.  So much for that, huh?

          I am pretty disgusted.

    •  yes (none)
      Yes, that's correct. It says "Teen Parent Rate," not "Teen Pregnancy Rate." And the CDC report mentions this as well.

      And it's hardly a minor correction. Sorry, but this chart doesn't tell us much. It could just be saying that teenagers in red states are choosing more often to have their babies instead of abort them. Which is what pro-life people would want.

    •  Yes: Dear Kos: Please correct the post! (none)
      We don't want to be nailed on inaccuracy.  The data are on teen births, not teen pregancies.

      By the way, this came up on Ross's original post on "It Concerns You" (follow Kos' link).  Ross claims that looking up the actual teen pregnancy rates from the CDC present a similar picture, but the red/blue contrast is less stark.

      We're just getting started.

      by jem6x on Tue Dec 07, 2004 at 10:21:24 AM PST

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    •  FWIW. (none)
      I worked the actual pregnancy data, cribbed from the reference offered by silence below, and put it in a diary:

      http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/12/7/161036/131

      It still shows a dramatic difference.  Teen pregnancy is much higher in red states.

      We're just getting started.

      by jem6x on Tue Dec 07, 2004 at 01:17:30 PM PST

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