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  •  The rightwingers are throwing stones (none)
    from inside their own glass house.

    They reek of hypocrisy, and the head-in-the-sand SCLM won't call them on it.  Disgusting.

    •  Maybe their empirical knowledge (none)
      leads them to believe if it's like this in the "Bible Belt" then they can well imagine what it is like in those Godless places in the North!
        Seriously though, there is  a good note written to Andrew Sullivan in his blog comparing TX and MA.
        For one thing it's hard to find a "Tittie" bar in MA but they are all over TX .
         That made me think, the morality question of the sleze joints in the Northeast where I live.
        Is it because it's sinful?  Or because it's demeaning to women?  Why is it these are missing from the very "liberal" north?
        I remember Playboy came up to Burlington some time ago to get models for "the girls of UVM" but no one showed up to audition.  Finally one of the local waitresses from a local bar went, she was turned down because she wasn't a student.  Whereupon she went to UVM , registered for one course , got a student ID and Volia she became the one and only "girl of UVM (U of Vermont)"
        the only women who showed up at the auditions were picketing them.

         So why are we different?  I think we need to understand that the motives may be entirely different for both sides.

      •  Honestly... (none)
        I believe that it's large populations and not necessarily area that affects these sort of things. Texas may have a lot of strip clubs, but so do California and New York. Places that tend to have areas of high population density tend to be more open to prurient interests than states that are not.

        Which is why I love Texas, California, and New York. ;)

      •  Andrew Sullivans blog (none)
        Where can I find this comparison of TX and MA on his blog?
        •  on andrewsullivan.com first entry after friday (none)
          copied here from his blog, an email from a reader.

          TEXAS AND MASSACHUSETTS:  A reader, while setting me straight, actually confirms my thesis:

              I liked your article for the Times about red and blue states exemplified by Texas and Massachusetts. It is a perspective those of us on this side of the pond should benefit from as well as the Brits. Your observation, however, that Massachusetts represents "high tax, and social permissivness" plays to old stereotypes and not current realities.

              First taxes. Massachusetts is decidedly middle of the road in taxation these days. High tax revenues have more to do with Masschusetts being a high income state rather than a high tax state. Tax curbs passed years ago have succeeded in dramatically moderating the tax climate. The state income tax is a flat tax, yes a flat tax, with a rate slightly over 5%. The sales tax, with exemptions for food and clothing, is 5%. Property taxes are severely limited by voter initiative and can only be overridden by popular vote. Compare this with neighboring states. With the exeption of New Hampshire (with outrageous property taxes), Massachusetts is a tax bargain. Compared with a neighboring state down the coast with a losing baseball team, Massachusetts looks like an offshore tax haven.

              Second social permissiveness. If you think Massachusetts is permissive, you've been spending too much time in Provincetown. You need to get out and see the rest of the state. Massachusetts is socially tolerant, but certainly not permissive. Let me give you a couple of examples. Let a straight man try to find a "tittie bar" here. They are few and far between. Boston has spent the better part of two decades closing down all but a couple of holdouts, and they are constatly harrassed. Texas, by the way seems to have a "tittie bar" or a suggestive ad for one on every street corner. Let a visiting gay man try to find a bath house. There are none in the state. They are illegal. The closest are 45 miles away in Rhode Island (the parking lots are full of Mass plates). Texas has gay bath houses in every major city. Want a drink? Better get to the bar before 1am. It goes on and on. Tolerant? Yes. Permissive? Definitely not.

          That captures the red-blue ironies perfectly, doesn't it?
          - 1:36:14 AM

      •  Alcohol Regulations... (none)
        I would guess that MA's liquor authority is much stricter than Texas's.....isn't it true that until recently, you couldn't go to the packy to get beer on Sundays, and Menino blamed unruly crowds after the Patriots won the Super Bowl last year on legal Sunday beer sales?

        Portland has the highest per-capita number of strip joints, microbreweries, coffee houses, and bookstores in the country.  I think it's because people want to go somewhere inside when it rains (which is all the time between Oct. 15 - Apr. 15...)

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