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    Because people who are eighTEEN and nineTEEN are TEENaged.
    •  That makes zero sense. (4.00)
      The implication is that these WOMEN are children.  They aren't and it isn't clear to me why they should be included because of the arbitrariness of the naming convention of the numbers that make up their age.  There should be a rational economic and social reason for it.  Are these WOMEN married?  If so, then why are they included?
      •  Well,... (none)
        In Georgia you can marry at 16.  So I say that georgia should only report the pregnancies of 15 year olds.  Furthermore, you can marry at 15 if you are pregnant (which pretty much covers all reports for Georgia).  So we should just report a big fat 0 for Georgia.

        The bottom line is that if a 19 year old is pregnant then it is a sign of bad judement, plain and simple.  I am more worried about the people who plan on getting pregnant at 19 than the ones who accidentally get pregnant at 19.


        --jamie "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism" - Thomas Jefferson

        by jamie ahmad on Mon Dec 06, 2004 at 01:20:48 PM PST

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        •  that's pretty judgemental (4.00)
          As someone who had a kid at 21 and got/gets almost as much judgemental bullshit about my life decisions as someone who had a kid at 16 or 17 this sort of judgemental attitude about the "right" age to have a kid pisses me off.  A 19 can choose to be pregnant for a wide variety of reasons some of which may or may not be signs of bad judgement.  Of course so can 29, 29, or 49 year olds but they get much less crap for it because the assumption isn't that they are automatically awful at parenting and stupid.  

          In the struggle against evil, there is no shame in defeat -- only in not fighting. -Tolkien

          by Sedge on Mon Dec 06, 2004 at 06:30:49 PM PST

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          The bottom line is that if a 19 year old is pregnant then it is a sign of bad judement, plain and simple.

          at 19 my kid sister was happily married and pregnant. deliberately.

          at 25, she's now a college graduate, happily married, and a mother of three. deliberately.

          you're a fucking idiot, plain and simple.

          and what's more you are just as bad as the theocrats always judging people over how they decide to live their lives.

          "Every man on that transport died..."

          by jethropalerobber on Tue Dec 07, 2004 at 10:09:56 AM PST

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    •  and... (none)
      are they including 10-12 year olds?  There is no "teen" in the number.  Are they excluded because of this artifact?  Were the adults (18-19 yos) included to inflate this Reagan era report to maximize the shock value?
      •  Teens/Adults (none)
        Hey!  I am not justifying anything, I was just making an observation and an inference about why 18 & 19 year old women were included in a report that was titled "Teen Parent Rate."

        Since this chart shows parents, not pregnancies (as many have observed), we should probably conclude that it is merely counting live births and comparing that number with population.

        Any purported count of teen pregnancies, particularly if ages under 15 are included, should be viewed with a critical eye because the reporting is not going to be as reliable as live birth and population counts.

      •  It's not a Reagan-era report (none)
        In fact if they included data in this chart from the decade under Reagan-Bush policies, they'd reveal that birth rates went up from 29.4 in 1980 to 44.9 in 1992, for all unmarried women 15-44 years old (including a huge surge in Murphy Brown moms).

        The data used as the source for this chart focuses primarily on the 90s, with chart after chart showing the steep declines in birth rates across the board in every state from their peaks in 1992-3 to the current numbers for 2002.

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