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  •  Current Sedition Law signed by Bush (10+ / 0-)

    Advocating overthrow of Government
    TITLE 18, PART I, CHAPTER 115 , 2385 US Code Jan 8, 2008
    Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof—Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.  If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.  As used in this section, the terms “organizes” and “organize”, with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons.

    Lets lock him up!

    "The alternative to thinking in evolutionary terms is to not think at all" Sir Peter Medawar

    by J Edward on Sun Sep 13, 2009 at 05:45:16 PM PDT

    •  hmmm Isn't this Treason? (1+ / 0-)
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      And isn't that punishable by death?

      --Country before party--

      by chipoliwog on Sun Sep 13, 2009 at 06:24:04 PM PDT

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      •  No, treason is very specific (1+ / 0-)
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        and requires two witnesses. See here.

        •  so does video count? (2+ / 0-)
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          I'll testify...

          --Country before party--

          by chipoliwog on Sun Sep 13, 2009 at 08:54:31 PM PDT

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        •  Well, certainly seditious and were at war. (2+ / 0-)
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          marina, GreyHawk

          He's advocating the violent overthrow of the government by the incitement for death of its head of state.

          --Country before party--

          by chipoliwog on Sun Sep 13, 2009 at 09:00:31 PM PDT

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          •  Sedition laws haven't been enforced for years (1+ / 0-)
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            They're still a touchy subject, and would likely meet a tough Constitutional challenge if pursued, maybe being overturned. Free speech and all that.

            •  plenty of stuff in Patriot act (2+ / 0-)
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              marina, GreyHawk

              There is plenty of ammo in the Patriot act that could be used against these cretin's. And it's ironic because these laws were written primarily by the Republicans with the idea of keeping Democrats down during the Republican fantasy of perpetual rule.

              --Country before party--

              by chipoliwog on Mon Sep 14, 2009 at 11:04:32 AM PDT

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              •  Well, that should tell you something (1+ / 0-)
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                Don't wish on others what we don't want for ourselves. I just wish the Republicans would heed that premise. The teabaggers are a year late and a trillion dollars short.

                Not saying we aren't justified in rebelling--God knows we have reason to. But we can't wish on others what we don't want for ourselves. (Yes, I know that makes us different from them.)

                •  How do you propose to deal with the problem? (1+ / 0-)
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                  marina

                  You have these unhinged crazies egged on by Randian cynical politicians espousing completely false assertions about our government and our way of life.  

                  They bring guns to the corral.  They seem itching for a fight. For many of us, it hasn't even occurred to us how dangerous this situation is and haven't even grasped the concept that maybe some "defense planning" is in order.  We just cluck cluck our tongues and wonder how people got so crazy.  We're like the frog in a pot of water whose temperature is gradually rising.

                  These people don't respond to reason, they don't have the same regard for humanity in their selfish Randian poisoned brains.  

                  As the erstwhile congressman from Tennessee, and sometime actor Fred Thompson once said while playing a character in a Tom Clancy movie: "This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it. "

                  --Country before party--

                  by chipoliwog on Tue Sep 15, 2009 at 07:30:21 AM PDT

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                  •  We must lay the problem, (1+ / 0-)
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                    and the misunderstandings, squarely at the feet of the Republican leaders and the media that continues to incite. Today's news cites a few media figures who have spoken out against the craziness.

                    Some of us recall very well how such mob tendencies can get out of hand. But I think it's unwise to go hyperbolic on them, since it only seems to incite them more. You are right to be wary.

    •  but didn't you know? (4+ / 0-)
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      GreyHawk, lazybum, fnord warrior, J Edward

      This fake law only applies to democrats and atheists.
      Apparently right wing lunatics are immune to prosecution under the "we're just expressing our free speech" clause applicable ONLY to blue blooded, gawd fearing republicans.
      Now if one of us were to say the same thing...off to the federal pen..

    •  Unconstitutional. See Brandenburg v Ohio. (1+ / 0-)
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      GreyHawk

      The language is much older than 2008.



      Medical Marijuana is Healthcare. does YOUR bill cover it?

      by ben masel on Sun Sep 13, 2009 at 06:29:44 PM PDT

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      •  ben, Bush and Cheney's entire sojourn in the (1+ / 0-)
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        White House was unconstitutional, IMHO, but it didn't stop them from starting two wars, bankrupting our economy, stealing taxpayers blind and letting bin Laden escape - and they're still walking around free.  So, please, don't protect these bastards from threatening and encouraging the murder of our president.

      •  How would a 1969 case (1+ / 0-)
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        apply to a law passed in 2008?

        "The alternative to thinking in evolutionary terms is to not think at all" Sir Peter Medawar

        by J Edward on Sun Sep 13, 2009 at 07:48:34 PM PDT

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        •  That's not a 2008 law. Dates from WW I. (1+ / 0-)
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          I'm assuming the source from which it was lifted cited itbas on the books as of 2008, but whilke still on the books, it's applicabilty is still subject to the narrowing rulings from the '50s (McCarthy era cases, Yates and Noto) and Brandenburg.



          Medical Marijuana is Healthcare. does YOUR bill cover it?

          by ben masel on Sun Sep 13, 2009 at 08:01:56 PM PDT

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