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  •  almost universal. (3+ / 0-)
    Most large corporations have policies in place to require "pre-employment drug screening" and "random drug testing" of job applicants and employees.

    A "supervised drug test" means someone watches, up close & personal, while you urinate in a cup, to be sure you're not "cheating" in some way.  So this isn't just "show it to me," it's "and give me a working demonstration."  

    I've been in private practice in my industry (telephone switching systems) so I've never had to put up with that.  But I would no more put up with that than I would put up with the more overt forms of "horizontal diplomacy" to get or keep jobs.  

    BTW, when dogs fight, the gesture of baring the abdomen is the signal of complete abject surrender.

    So this business of showing the boss' proxy your private parts, is very much the same thing.  And you can be quite sure it has an effect in terms of making employees more submissive overall.  

    •  That is ridiculous! (3+ / 0-)
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      I have taken many drug tests to work in corporate America and not once have I been required to be supervised. This is nonsense.  You must be in prison or a mental institution where that might be universal.

      •  have i gots newz for you. (2+ / 0-)
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        Keyword search "supervised drug test."

        Go here:

        Opinions vary, and a nurse wrote that those are illegal except for the military and parole.   Someone else wrote that in their experience, labs will throw out the results of unsupervised tests and report you to the company.

        But either way, the whole premise of piss tests is first of all fatally flawed (they do not detect LSD, they do not detect impairment as such for example due to chronic sleep deprivation), second of all highly invasive (the effective claim is that the company owns you including over the weekends), and third of all even more highly invasive because they are asserting a right to get inside your body, and fourt of all because the turn your private parts into public parts that are effectively company property.  

        The only thing that would be worse is a requirement for semen samples, and the only thing worse than that, DNA.  

        You work in IT so you'll understand this:  DNA is the source code to your body, including your brain, and thereby your emotional traits (emotions are neurochemicals).  

        As for me, I have never and I would not ever, period, with one exception.  No one owns me (I'm a PBX engineer in private practice).  And the only people who get access to my private parts are my doctor and any guy I happen to have sex with.  The only exception I would make to this is if I was going for a federal clearance to work on a project that I felt was of such importance as to justify the sacrifice of personal principle as well as privacy, for example working for the intels.  

        But if you don't understand what's wrong with the idea that any boss in any private company can make you pull down your pants and urinate on demand, then I feel sorry for you.  

        •  hmm. I've worked for the government and (1+ / 0-)
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          my test was not supervised. I don't claim to know how common this is, but I am fairly certain that it is no where close to universal. And where it does occur, employees still have to agree to do it. You yourself say that you would do it under a certain circumstance. For people who agree to do it, whatever job they have is worth it to them.

          But you'll notice that the start of this disagreement is that you called supervised testing 'almost universal.'

          If you are planning simultaneous tea bagging all around the country, you're going to need a Dick Armey. - David Shuster

          by Big Danny on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 09:34:11 PM PDT

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      •  i also find it somewhere between amusing and sad (2+ / 0-)
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        Skaje, GANJA

        how often people defend the chains they wear.

        Proud to be captives, proud to give up every last shred of their rights, their personal boundaries, all the rest of it, and proud of how well their emotional homeostasis readjusts to take every insult and injury in stride.  

        That or just plain corrupted by money.  But hey, consenting adults & all that, and prostitution should be perfectly legal in its more conventional forms as well.  

      •  Agreed. (2+ / 0-)
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        I've taken three of them, and all three were in a closed bathroom with no one watching.

        For crying out loud.  

        Hard core Christian and hard core liberal...not an illogical combination at all.

        by penny8611 on Thu Sep 17, 2009 at 07:50:58 AM PDT

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