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    Judgment at Nuremberg, Darmok, Alec82

    It's a rather interesting topic and, as evidenced by the comments, tends to inflame.  If you look at the sex wars in feminism, you can see just how divided people can be on this issue.

    You have the Catharine MacKinnon side that says all heterosexual sex is rape, porn is violence, et cetera.

    Then you have the Camille Paglia side that says you surrender your right to say "no" if you go to a man's apartment.

    And then you have a lot of in between.

    Personally, I favor legalizing prostitution.  The laws against it are wholly ineffective and as we can see in other countries where it is legalized, prostitutes do a lot better when prostitution is regulated instead of black marketed.

    Medicare for all, goddamnit.

    by Kaili Joy Gray on Thu Sep 17, 2009 at 08:57:51 AM PDT

    •  I'm in favor of legalization (2+ / 0-)
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      (so long as it comes with unionization and strong laws protecting those working in the sex industry), but I do have to point out that the Netherlands' decriminalization hasn't been all it's cracked up to be: they're now the center of the illegal sex trade in Europe.  

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      by pico on Thu Sep 17, 2009 at 01:51:06 PM PDT

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      •  Do you know why? (1+ / 0-)
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        It may be tough to draw any conclusions from the Netherlands for several reasons, but I'd think the biggest problem is that it's a tiny country surrounded by the rest of the continent that continues to make prostitution illegal.  Is there something similar with respect to Nevada, for example?

        •  I don't, but if I had to wager a guess, (1+ / 0-)
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          think of it this way: if I'm pimping out a young woman for sex in a country where prostitution is outright illegal, then what I'm doing is going to get me into trouble whether she's doing against her will or not.  If I'm pimping out a young woman against her will in a country where prostitution is legal, there are added steps that investigators have to take before they can determine that what I'm doing is part of an illegal sex trade.  I can even cover up trails by forging documents, etc.  These are options I don't have in countries where it's illegal in any form.

          I don't think that should be a deterrent to the legalization movement - I have no moral qualms about people willingly trading sex for money, because it should be their right to do so - but I just urge caution on trying to draw easy conclusions that legalization will solve other problems.  

          Things like unionization will help, because it creates a mutually-supportive community that has legal standing to intervene on behalf of sex workers.  But that black market may always exist, and the truth is legalization might even help it out.

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          by pico on Thu Sep 17, 2009 at 04:02:35 PM PDT

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        •  it's not illegal across europe. (0+ / 0-)

          prostitution laws vary wildly.  in some countries it is illegal in all forms, while in others incall is legal (the guy comes to your location).  and in still others, some forms of sex can be sold but not others.  there is a lot of variance, and it's not all illegal everywhere but the netherlands.  

          sweden has some particularly heinous laws, as detailed here:
          http://sensuellqkonsult.wordpress.co...

          http://www.hkbu.edu.hk/~ppp/bth/toc.html

          by shoeboy on Thu Sep 17, 2009 at 05:05:34 PM PDT

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    •  re: Camille Paglia (2+ / 0-)
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      Then you have the Camille Paglia side that says you surrender your right to say "no" if you go to a man's apartment.

      She's actually said that?  I knew she was a tool, but I didn't know she was that much of a tool.

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      by Big Tex on Thu Sep 17, 2009 at 02:50:26 PM PDT

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