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  •  I tend to agree. (5+ / 0-)
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    I'm really tired of the "Madison is the Berkeley of the midwest" reference.

    Madison is Madison. It's not Berkeley. I just visited Berkeley. It's nice if you have a lot of money, but it's not Madison. If it were, it would have a sizable portion of common-sense former dairy farmers keeping the intelligentsia from floating off into space.

    "Do the next right thing!"...anonymous

    by Giles Goat Boy on Sun Sep 27, 2009 at 08:24:40 PM PDT

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    •  Berkleyites Think Madisonites Are Communists (0+ / 0-)

      They have little in common.

      Wisconsin is a state that elected both Joe McCarthy and Russ Feingold to the Senate.  California can match neither.

      Michael Pollan knows as much about agriculture as Sarah Palin does.

      I never met a farmer that loved Big Ag nor the like of Michael Pollan.  

      Admittedly I haven't been around farmers much for a long, long time but I doubt they have changed so much.

      Wish you well, Jill Richardson.  Your story is a heroic one and your virtues are most admirable.  Your message is false in my view.  Very sadly.

      Best,  Terry

      •  I think you are wrong (15+ / 0-)

        First, Pollan knows a lot about agriculture. He's an avid gardener so he knows a lot about growing food but he also talks to many farmers to hear their side of the story so he can understand better what it's like to grow or produce food on a commercial scale and as a business.

        I've met farmers who love Big Ag and I've also met farmers who love Michael Pollan. Not the same farmers.

        I wrote a book! You should buy it!

        by Jill Richardson on Sun Sep 27, 2009 at 09:35:47 PM PDT

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        •  Not terribly likely (0+ / 0-)

          we will ever come to an agreement, Jill.

          I see organic farming doctrine as that of archconservatives terrified of the future that cannot be held back anymore than time can.  In my view, organic farmers are in league with agricultural monopolists rather than enemies.

          That does not mean I have ever doubted your goodwill as opposed to that of the ag giants, who are essentially amoral.

          How soon do you think it will be before Monsanto or Dow introduce GM crops that need no pesticides or herbicides?  I suggest a very long time.

          One side fears imaginary monsters loosed on the world, the other interference with the empire.

          Meanwhile famine and disaster stalk the planet, a challenge only science and technology can possibly address.

          I've met farmers who love Big Ag and I've also met farmers who love Michael Pollan

          I have yet to meet either kind though I have no intention of denying the exotic acquaintances you make. :-)

          My father used to inveigh against the corporations with a vehemence that was not good to argue against.  As an Irishman, he loved to fight as much as to drink and was very good at both.  He also was not overly taken with city folk telling farmers like himself how to farm.  

          Could be I had a most deprived childhood and am unable to break from such a past.

          Best,  Terry

      •  California produced Ronny Raygun, TerryHall (0+ / 0-)

        the equal and superior to Joe Mc.  Joe was a drunk who didn't stick around very long.  Ronnie Raygun became California Governor and then?

        "Tyranny & oppression are just as possible under democratic forms as under any other...democracy is a life & involves continual struggle." Robert LaFoll

        by fflambeau on Sun Sep 27, 2009 at 10:58:20 PM PDT

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        •  Reagan Was No Joe McCarthy (0+ / 0-)

          Not remotely.  Not even at his worst did Reagan approach McCarthy.

          Nixon was furious that after a career of red-baiting, Joe McCarthy with his imaginary list of card-carrying communists could run away with the championship effortlessly.

          Barbara Boxer is not remotely a Russ Feingold. No left or right coaster is.

          Wild things grow best in the interior of continents, not on the coasts, as do the most sodden conservatives.  I have no idea why.

          Best,  Terry

          •  Reagan much worse than McCarthy (0+ / 0-)

            McCarthy was a drunkard, a joke, not really taken seriously even by his own party.  "McCarthyism" really started much earlier (look at HUAC).

            Reagan, on the other hand, aggressively set and pursued the agenda with have lived with for the past 29 years.  He was the intellectual father of George W.  Behind the nice guy smile, the charm, he displayed a fierce viciousness towards the very basis of the Democratic Party:  its achievements under the New Deal.  He broke unions.  He was a very, very effective facilitator of conservative ideas unlike McCarthy who was pretty much a flash in the pan.

            "Tyranny & oppression are just as possible under democratic forms as under any other...democracy is a life & involves continual struggle." Robert LaFoll

            by fflambeau on Mon Sep 28, 2009 at 02:38:34 PM PDT

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            •  Joe McCarthy (0+ / 0-)

              McCarthy was a drunkard, a joke, not really taken seriously even by his own party.

              Indeed Joe McCarthy was a drunkard, a preposterous liar and a very bad joke.

              A book that came out a year or two ago gives some amazing details on the power of this caricature.  I knew the ACLU was very subdued in the circumstances but not how potent the threat was to Democratic candidates.

              The author credited Eisenhower, a bitter enemy, for his deft handling of McCarthy.  Undoubtedly McCarthy's attack on Eisenhower was a devastating blunder.

              The sideshows in politics, as in life generally, are often far more important than the main attraction of the time.

              You give Reagan far too much credit in my view.  I think he was always a chuckle-headed dunce willingly played the fool by people who controlled him.

              Whatever.

              Best,  Terry

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