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  •  California produced Ronny Raygun, TerryHall (0+ / 0-)

    the equal and superior to Joe Mc.  Joe was a drunk who didn't stick around very long.  Ronnie Raygun became California Governor and then?

    "Tyranny & oppression are just as possible under democratic forms as under any other...democracy is a life & involves continual struggle." Robert LaFoll

    by fflambeau on Sun Sep 27, 2009 at 10:58:20 PM PDT

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    •  Reagan Was No Joe McCarthy (0+ / 0-)

      Not remotely.  Not even at his worst did Reagan approach McCarthy.

      Nixon was furious that after a career of red-baiting, Joe McCarthy with his imaginary list of card-carrying communists could run away with the championship effortlessly.

      Barbara Boxer is not remotely a Russ Feingold. No left or right coaster is.

      Wild things grow best in the interior of continents, not on the coasts, as do the most sodden conservatives.  I have no idea why.

      Best,  Terry

      •  Reagan much worse than McCarthy (0+ / 0-)

        McCarthy was a drunkard, a joke, not really taken seriously even by his own party.  "McCarthyism" really started much earlier (look at HUAC).

        Reagan, on the other hand, aggressively set and pursued the agenda with have lived with for the past 29 years.  He was the intellectual father of George W.  Behind the nice guy smile, the charm, he displayed a fierce viciousness towards the very basis of the Democratic Party:  its achievements under the New Deal.  He broke unions.  He was a very, very effective facilitator of conservative ideas unlike McCarthy who was pretty much a flash in the pan.

        "Tyranny & oppression are just as possible under democratic forms as under any other...democracy is a life & involves continual struggle." Robert LaFoll

        by fflambeau on Mon Sep 28, 2009 at 02:38:34 PM PDT

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        •  Joe McCarthy (0+ / 0-)

          McCarthy was a drunkard, a joke, not really taken seriously even by his own party.

          Indeed Joe McCarthy was a drunkard, a preposterous liar and a very bad joke.

          A book that came out a year or two ago gives some amazing details on the power of this caricature.  I knew the ACLU was very subdued in the circumstances but not how potent the threat was to Democratic candidates.

          The author credited Eisenhower, a bitter enemy, for his deft handling of McCarthy.  Undoubtedly McCarthy's attack on Eisenhower was a devastating blunder.

          The sideshows in politics, as in life generally, are often far more important than the main attraction of the time.

          You give Reagan far too much credit in my view.  I think he was always a chuckle-headed dunce willingly played the fool by people who controlled him.

          Whatever.

          Best,  Terry

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