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  •  of course (0+ / 0-)

    Of course, it would be natural selection if those stupid enough to refuse vaccination became sick and died.

    Unfortunately they will take down all those newborns and elderly and etc with them who are smart enough to get vaccinated but cant.

    You never know who will show up at Netroots Nation. Will you be there?

    by ETinKC on Wed Sep 30, 2009 at 07:48:00 AM PDT

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    •  what about people who die (0+ / 0-)

      from having a negative reaction to taking the vaccine but wouldn't have died otherwise, are there lives expendable?

      •  how many is that? (3+ / 0-)
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        A majority of people who can't get vaccines don't - there is always a doctors exemption, BUT that is why you need everyone who can get the shot to get it so those who can't (who often are also at the greatest risk of dying if they get sick) benefit from the heard immunity.

        You never know who will show up at Netroots Nation. Will you be there?

        by ETinKC on Wed Sep 30, 2009 at 08:01:36 AM PDT

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      •  How many (4+ / 0-)

        do you suppose that will be?

        The government already makes exceptions for people who are high risk, such as those who have had Guillaim Barre syndrome (or however you spell it) or who might be immunocompromised.

        But for those with no known risk factors, your risk of dying from flu is greater than your risk of dying from the vaccine.

        Nobody's life is expendable, but sometimes you have to think of the greater good rather than the individual.

        http://debunkerhill.com holding the line against the siege

        by CatM on Wed Sep 30, 2009 at 08:02:04 AM PDT

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        •  understood (0+ / 0-)

          I just wish that the greater good did not include dumping a few people overboard sometimes. I also think that we sometimes need to question who benefits from such a scare as a swine flu pandemic rather then simply following obediantly. 9/11 was used as an excuse to scare people into suppressing there civil liberties and pandemics could be used as an excuse to give big corporations that produce vaccines record profits. What about the 1976 flu pandemic scare?

          All i'm doing is challenging generally accepted dogmas and trying to get people to defend there viewpoints intellectually rather then just assuming that they are correct for taking the contrary position of conservatives. If that means stirring the pot sometimes and making myself look like a paranoid then so be it.  

      •  VERY few people die because of vaccination. (4+ / 0-)

        Much fewer than would die as a direct result of the policy of allowing people to opt out for no real valid reason (which is what you're advocating).

        Let's be clear: from a risk perspective, there is no valid argument against most vaccination if you don't have medical contraindications. Of course there is a slight risk, but it's not even close to the risk to you personally from getting an infectious disease. Especially since under your policy infectious diseases would be much more prevalent than they are now. You can't just say your risk of ID is negligible, so it's not a problem, because they wouldn't be negligible without vaccination of most people.

      •  No, but you can't make a cogent argument (0+ / 0-)

        for letting other people (a lot more people) die in order to save them.

        There is nothing so practical as a good theory—Kurt Lewin

        by ebohlman on Wed Sep 30, 2009 at 11:33:50 AM PDT

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    •  Yes (0+ / 0-)

      That is why I said it was natural selection "if those stupid enough to refuse vaccination became sick and died."

      It is not natural selection if the others who were unable to get vaccinated die. Then it is just a tragedy.

      http://debunkerhill.com holding the line against the siege

      by CatM on Wed Sep 30, 2009 at 08:00:20 AM PDT

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