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    Doctors who have thus far been polled are split about whether they will take the vaccine. See, for example, this report from England:

    Up to 60% of GPs may choose not to be vaccinated against swine flu, with many concerned about the safety of the vaccine, a GP newspaper survey suggests.

    Of 216 GPs who responded to the survey, 29% said they would not opt to receive the swine flu vaccine and a further 29% said they were not sure whether they would or not.

    Of those who would refuse vaccination, 71% said they were concerned that the vaccine had not been through sufficient trials to guarantee its safety.

    http://www.healthcarerepublic.com/...

    There are several other polls I can link to that point to doctors' reluctance to take the H1N1 vaccine, here and abroad.

    So, like the general public, health care workers are split as to whether the vaccine is safe.

    In any case, those who take the vaccination should be immune from contracting the disease, and therefore have no right to pressure or ridicule those who refuse to take the vaccination.

    •  Public health is not a popularity contest. n/t (1+ / 0-)
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        And perhaps you'd like to tell that to the 500 unfortunates who contracted Guillain-Barre syndrome after taking the swine flu vaccine in 1976.

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          because Guillain Barre occurs 1 in 100,000 people every year, so you need to know what it was above baseline, not hpow many cases there were. there was a wonderful article in the wapo sunday asking if you got the shot and then had a heart attack whether you'd be blaming the shot or the lifetime of french fries.

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Wed Sep 30, 2009 at 10:13:31 AM PDT

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            I saw that article. However, note that this time:

            Vaccine makers and federal officials will be immune from lawsuits that result from any new swine flu vaccine, under a document signed by Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius, government health officials said Friday.

            http://www.msnbc.msn.com/...

            Note also that the package inserts for the Novartis 2009 vaccine lists GBS as one of its possible side effects. In any case, I understand that health care providers have been asked to carefully monitor their vaccinated patients for GBS; unfortunately, should people again contract the brain disease, they will have no legal recourse to sue the vaccine makers for having created it.

            •  That's how most vaccines work. (2+ / 0-)

              We give the makers legal immunity, and the government pays out to victims of adverse effects from a compensation fund. The reason is because otherwise companies wouldn't make vaccines, due to the fact that some people will inevitably have negative effects from them. You're prioritizing that tiny group (who DO get compensated, just not via a lawsuit against the vaccine makers) over all the good the vaccines do.

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                receiving compensation from that fund are much more relaxed than the burden of proof needed to successfully sue a vaccine manufacturer. To get VICP compensation, you merely need to show that it's plausible that the vaccine caused your problem. To sue a manufacturer, you also have to show that the manufacturer was negligent or that the vaccine itself was defective.

                There is nothing so practical as a good theory—Kurt Lewin

                by ebohlman on Wed Sep 30, 2009 at 11:52:47 AM PDT

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        •  same thing applies to miscarriages and seizures (0+ / 0-)

          it needs to be carefully tracked (that's why there's VAERS and a very robust tracking system for H1N1 vaccine.)

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Wed Sep 30, 2009 at 10:14:52 AM PDT

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    •  there's lots of misinformation even amongst HCW (0+ / 0-)

      and in england and  to some extent the US there's no 'vaccine is the norm' culture to encourage the vax.

      One good thing about this discussion is that it gets it in the open so it can be addressed.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Wed Sep 30, 2009 at 09:23:35 AM PDT

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      •  I agree (0+ / 0-)

        And I appreciate your reasonable tone. The bottom line is that we all must make our own health care choices for ourselves whether we work in public health or not.

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