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  •  But at least (0+ / 0-)

    We know that vaccines are all perfectly safe and effective, right?

    •  No one said that. (1+ / 0-)
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      In fact, I have repeatedly said in this very thread that vaccines have risks. My viewpoint is not that they are perfectly safe, but that the risk of not getting them greatly outweighs the risk of getting them.

      There is little reason to believe that the H1N1 vaccine will be more dangerous than other vaccines.

      •  My basic problem (0+ / 0-)

        Is forcing workers to do something that you're admitting is risky. Whether the benefits outweigh the risks is an opinion. I don't like the idea that employers (or the government) have the right to tell you to do something potentially harmful to your body or lose your job. What's to stop any employer from doing that? When all employers do it, can you just say "if you don't want to do it, find another job?"

        •  Not really opinion. (0+ / 0-)

          We can objectively study whether the risk associated with the vaccine is greater or less than the risk associated with the disease.

          •  Mmmm, no (1+ / 0-)
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            You can quantify black and white things like risk of dying from the vaccine versus risk of dying from the swine flu, sure. How do you quantify something like getting sick from the vaccine, but not dying? Adverse reactions are on a spectrum, and probably mild reactions will never be tallied. But they count to the person that gets it. So you can study risk on black and white, measurable things like death, if you can even trust that accurate, complete data is going to be kept (I wouldn't assume that at all), but mild to medium illness from the vaccine is much harder.

            •  I agree that it's somewhat difficult to study. (0+ / 0-)

              But that type of research can be done, and has been done in the past.

              Employers don't have a blanket right to force people to do something that carries a small risk like this. The only reason they can in this case is because it's deemed necessary for public health. In other words, it's not so much that they're forcing the workers to get the much as they're saying that the risks associated with them working with patients while unvaccinated are too great.

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