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  •  I'm glad to see this post (1+ / 0-)
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    TomP

    I think it's important to move the Republican party toward the center by encouraging their moderates. We all know a Democratic majority isn't going to last forever. Better Republicans will help us achieve progressive goals and cushion the shock of the next Republicn congress.

    "I had seen the universe as it begins for all things. It was, in reality, a child's universe, a tiny and laughing universe." Loren Eiseley

    by cadejo4 on Thu Oct 01, 2009 at 02:53:31 PM PDT

    •  We also want to move the Democrats to the left (4+ / 0-)
      •  Yeap - n/t (1+ / 0-)
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        "I had seen the universe as it begins for all things. It was, in reality, a child's universe, a tiny and laughing universe." Loren Eiseley

        by cadejo4 on Thu Oct 01, 2009 at 02:57:42 PM PDT

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      •  Yes, but the time to do that is in primaries... (1+ / 0-)
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        Willamette Democrat

        not general elections like this one.

        The Republican Party has morphed into a Jerry Springer Show audience.

        by Jimdotz on Thu Oct 01, 2009 at 06:13:17 PM PDT

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        •  There are different theories about how to do it (0+ / 0-)

          One is to realize where we need to win rather than trying to win  areas where it requires us to pick conservative Democrats like say Nelson of Nebraska before the state is ready to elect someone who is at least moderate rather than a Corporatic politician in Democratic clothing. As others have pointed out, to have a truly liberal governing majority you do not need 60. You need 58 plus a bloc of 10 who are solidly organized like the gang 14 conservadems. Right now, we do not have this. In part because, and this is just my gut, the Senate leadership under Reid tries to quash a leftward swing. More than that, you need to have more liberal Republicans win in conservative states rather than far right Republicans. This too shifts the balance leftward. Thus I agree with Kos's assessment. If you stop looking at it strictly on the partisan scale, but also on the left versus right and plutocrat versus non-plutocrat scales, the solution for governing majorities become a little bit more obvious. Before more Democrats made since, but the problem with just focusing on the partisan scale is that the otherside eventually was going to catch on to the partisan scale and use that to tip the people in the Democratic party on the other two scales. To truly win you have to integrate the other two scales.  The more scale was just a short term strategy. Shifting the ideological and corporate scales is the long term battle away from a plutocratic authoritarian movement.

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