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  •  We have been discussing, and the outcomes (4+ / 0-)

    seem fairly clear.  Isn't it time to move forward instead of sitting around and debating?  I'm sorry if that sounds harsh, because I'm interpreting your comment to refer to the big picture.  However, we're still discussing details, and I hope you will be part of the discussion here.

    •  What consensus is there? (1+ / 0-)
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      divineorder

      Dems want too little, R's want nothing.  Those are the positions they have taken.

      Arguing positions will get us nowhere.  I'm trying to promote a process that will get us to a better outcome than we have gotten on HCR.

      We need to get consensus on the outcomes this country wants and work backwards from there.  I'm not interested in what the corporate-funded politicians want--that's predictable.

      The outcomes of doing nothing are clear.

      "The Universe is change; our life is what our thoughts make it." Marcus Aurelius

      by Mosquito Pilot on Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 07:51:07 PM PDT

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      •  I'm listening... (1+ / 0-)
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        and I'm worried that we're going to set up the circular firing squad rather than work to get one bill passed in the Senate.  To the left, we have the Climate SOS folks and to the right we now have Cantwell's bill (although she is not a rightwing politician).

        •  I don't see this as left/right (0+ / 0-)

          How does the alternet piece conclude? Like this:

          New Proposed Climate Change Bill in Washington Is Simpler and More Equitable

          Her bill represents a fundamentally different philosophical and strategic approach to fighting climate change: simple, transparent, equitable and, I would add, effective.

          This country has come to feel the same when Congress is in session as when the baby gets hold of a hammer. -Will Rogers

          by Lefty Coaster on Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 11:04:24 PM PDT

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          •  I follow enviro news VERY closely: (2+ / 0-)
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            The scuttlebutt on this is: a Trojan horse for oil companies, presented by a friendly face with a lot of green credentials, thus fooling a lot of people, with an eye toward destroying the only chance we have to get a bill passed this -- or any -- year.

            If the bill called for 20% cuts from 2005 (or earlier) by 2020, AND addressed REDD, AND had support from some respectable environmental groups, AND had a stronger chance of passing than Kerry-Boxer, I'd reconsider.

            •  We both follow enviro news closely (0+ / 0-)

              and we've often lauded each other's green diaries. We'll just have to disagree on relative chance of passing by the two bills. CLEAR creates fewer hurdles for its passage than Cap and Trade.

              If CLEAR isn't achieving its goals it contains the provision to adjust the price of carbon shares.

              From the CLEAR Pdf file in the diary:

              Subject to paragraph (3), the President, in consultation with 23the Secretary and the Administrator, may increase or decrease the number of carbon shares available for an auction to respond to

              (i) changes in the scientific under-
              standing of climate change;

              (ii) the need to stabilize atmospheric greenhouse gas concentrations to avoid dangerous interference with the climate of the Earth;

              (iii) any international obligations of
              the United States, including any commitment of the United States under the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change;

              This country has come to feel the same when Congress is in session as when the baby gets hold of a hammer. -Will Rogers

              by Lefty Coaster on Sat Oct 03, 2009 at 11:50:13 PM PDT

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              •  Oh yikes! So the next time we elect a Republican (2+ / 0-)
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                he can gut everything?!?

                •  I thought you said you read it (0+ / 0-)

                  This is section applies to the excerpt above:

                  (A) D
                  DEFINITION OF JOINT RESOLUTION.
                  In this paragraph, the term joint resolution means only a joint resolution introduced during the 30-day period beginning on the date on which the report referred to in subparagraph
                  (B) is received by Congress (excluding days either House of Congress is adjourned for more than 3 days during a session of Congress), the matter after the resolving clause of which is as follows: That Congress approves the modification of the number of shares available for auction described in the report required under section 4(a)(3)(B) of the CLEAR Act of 2009 submitted by the President to Congress on _____, and the modification shall take ef-
                  fect. (The blank space being appropriately filled in).

                  This country has come to feel the same when Congress is in session as when the baby gets hold of a hammer. -Will Rogers

                  by Lefty Coaster on Sun Oct 04, 2009 at 09:32:38 AM PDT

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