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  •  Basic thermodynamics... (0+ / 0-)

    You can't break up the CO2 to get back C without putting in more energy than you produced by burning.

    If you don't break up the CO2 then you have to sequester it somewhere.

    What, exactly, do you think this magical "stripping" is?  For the record, naked female (or male) dancers have little to do with global warming.

    •  If you are unaware of stripping you really (0+ / 0-)

      need to do a lot of reading before participating in this thread.  If you are simply attempting sophistry, then you fail.

      "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini

      by enhydra lutris on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 09:22:29 AM PDT

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      •  I am very aware of stripping... (0+ / 0-)

        You go to this bar where women take of their clothes while dancing to music (or sometimes just start naked or mostly naked).  You put dollar bills in their G strings or other locations.  If you're really planning to spend money you can pay for a lap dance.

        But not relevant to this topic.

        •  I see, so you are really not at all up to (0+ / 0-)

          speed on pollution and pollution reduction and control.  I thought so.

          "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini

          by enhydra lutris on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 06:06:10 PM PDT

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    •  Excuse me, stripping is seemingly reserved for (0+ / 0-)

      removal of pollutants from liquid streams, and I should have used "scrubbing" for gaseous waste clean-up.  Of course, either way, I'm surpirsed that you are pretending to be or actually are ignorant of the fact that CO2 can be removed from an exhaust stream by any of numerous methods.

      "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini

      by enhydra lutris on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 09:30:32 AM PDT

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      •  Massive FAIL (0+ / 0-)
        If you burn a gallon of oil you get X pounds of CO2.  There is no dirty vs. clean in this.  The only exception is for carbon sequestration projects, all of which are only in the pilot stage.

        Your second point is simply flat out wrong.  CO2 output from the smokestack can be reduced, but it costs, and this bill provides no incentive.

        Of course, either way, I'm surpirsed that you are pretending to be or actually are ignorant of the fact that CO2 can be removed from an exhaust stream by any of numerous methods.

        Looks like the beginning of a walk back - you are now referring to removing CO2 from the exhaust stream... and doing what with it please?  Magically disintegrating it into its component atoms?

        From http://science.howstuffworks.com/...

        After the fossil fuel is combusted in air, the resulting gases are collected and chilled. The solvent is then added and absorbs the CO2, forming a new compound in a reversible chemical reaction. The new compound separates out from the other gases by entering a more solid state that gets pumped to a new chamber and reheated. The heat causes the CO2 to come back out of solution so that it can be diverted to storage.

        Needless to say, after it is diverted to storage it must be sequestered.  Otherwise no benefit.

        •  Sorry dude, do some reading, catch up, and then (0+ / 0-)

          we can talk.  Yes, at the end of the day, sequestration will generally, but not always be required, such as those making cement with mineralized CO2.  The CO2 can also be recycled into biodiesel, getting a second bite from the apple, but don't let that bother you, it is much better to believe that CO2 cannot be removed from flue gasses and such, that way you can try to con people into supporting bills which make no attempt to limit or restrict CO2 emissions as opposed to those which do.

          "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini

          by enhydra lutris on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 06:11:11 PM PDT

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