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  •  What does that have to do... (3+ / 0-)
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    ...with my point about the flawed effort to investigate a particular military operation? It certainly doesn't refute my point. {ProfJonathan}

    "The perfect is the enemy of the good." -- Voltaire

    by ProfJonathan on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 06:25:24 PM PDT

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    •  IDF bombed the shit out of Gaza -- (1+ / 0-)
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      a densely populated spit of land with no military, much less air forces -- because they could get away with it. No shortage in the west of slick PR hacks and apologists for anything Israel does.  That will use any ludicrous minutia to justify heinous violence against Palestinians.  Goebbels was sort of a piker compared with the sophisticated propaganda on the I/P issue that is fed to Americans.


      "Dulled conscience, irresponsibility, and ruthless self-interest already reappear. Such symptoms of prosperity may become portents of disaster!" FDR - 1937

      by Marie on Mon Oct 05, 2009 at 06:43:52 PM PDT

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      •  They should not launch missiles then they won't (1+ / 0-)
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        get bombed.

        •  Who is the "They" you're referring to? n/t (4+ / 0-)
        •  that is (0+ / 0-)

          why they (hamas) honored the ceasefire til israel broke it.

          israel spent the ceasefire preparing for war.

          •  Whatever. (0+ / 0-)

            You can choose to believe what you want and I can believe what I want. Israel will not change its policies until it is in Israel's best interest to do so.

            Remember part of the cease fire was Hamas agreeing to not re-arm. So when you say Israel was preparing for war, that is nothing new.  Israel is always prepared for war.  Hamas broke the truce by not only rearming, but thumbing their nose at not only Israel, but Egypt as well. Oh and launching missiles at Israel too.

            As long as the Palestinians back Hamas and other thugs who care not one bit about their people they will suffer from many sources.  Gaza is the poorest place on Earth, but the family of Arafat is billionaires.  If the Palestinian leadership cared about their people they would start acting like it.

            •  facts (0+ / 0-)

              are facts

              For example, the Report has pulled together an excellent chronology of all the military incidents that occurred during the six-month ceasefire that started June 19, 2008. This account makes clear-- as many official Israeli sources already have-- how few in number were the incidents of firing any kind of ordnance from Gaza into Israel during the whole period until November 4-- the day on which Israel itself undertook a major and deliberate violation of the ceasefire. But it goes beyond the official Israeli sources in noting that those rockets and missiles that were fired from Gaza prior to November 4 were not attributable to Hamas. many were attributed to-- or even claimed by-- the Fateh-affiliated Al-Aqsa Brigades. Others, to Islamic Jihad.

              So this picture of an "unstoppably violent" Hamas that Israelis like to portray to the world is quite simply untrue. Yes, Hamas uses violence for political ends. (Like Israel.) But it does not do so irrationally or uncontrollably; and indeed, it turns out that Hamas-- like Israel-- is deterrable.

    •  what flawed effort? (0+ / 0-)

      nothing in your blockquote reflects goldstone's efforts.

      is this a copy of the mandate goldstone worked with?

      •  Yes, that's Goldstone's operative mandate. (nt) (0+ / 0-)

        "The perfect is the enemy of the good." -- Voltaire

        by ProfJonathan on Tue Oct 06, 2009 at 11:45:36 AM PDT

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        •  why won't your link open (0+ / 0-)

          In calling in January for an investigation, the original HRC resolution blamed Israel for "massive violations of human rights", a determination before the investigation had even begun which, Israel said, exposed the council's bias.

          Justice Goldstone, an eminent jurist, refused to accept the HRC invitation to head the investigation until its mandate had been expanded to include the firing of rockets and mortars by the Palestinians into Israel.  

          according to you there was no change in the original mandate? hmm.

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