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  •  Heh (8+ / 0-)

    the right-wing in California, which can out wingnut the best of them despite California's reputation as a blue state

    That is so true.

    The most violent element in society is ignorance.

    by Mr MadAsHell on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 06:39:20 PM PDT

    •  Schwarzenegger only won because of the recall (7+ / 0-)
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      The Republicans are very unlikely to produce a candidate who can win a general election based on Republican primary votes.  Schwarzenegger only got in because of the weird rules of the recall that did not require a partisan primary.

      •  And he was re-elected when the Democrats (1+ / 0-)
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        handed it to the GOP by nominating Steve Westly, a candidate as wimpy as his name (sorry, Steve).  

        I can't understand why people are frightened of new ideas. I'm frightened of the old ones. (John Cage)

        by dotalbon on Wed Oct 07, 2009 at 07:00:22 PM PDT

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      •  Weird recall rules ...you're so right. (4+ / 0-)
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        Of the total votes cast, Schwarzenegger got less than 50% of the votes (48.58%) He just got the more than any of the other 134 people vying for the governorship that were on the ballot. If he had be up against Gray Davis in a head-to-head, Davis might have won.  

        What hurt Davis the most was Enron and the gaming of the electricity market which drove bills sky high and Cheney kept the federal regulators out of the picture and Davis could get no federal help.  Arianna Huffington was running and helped to defeat Davis, but dropped out herself. She painted him as being in cahoots with the energy companies and that's why he had not tried harder to get relief from their profiteering. No one really knew that much about Enron at the time.  

        •  Sort of (2+ / 0-)
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          We actually had brownouts.  That's what pissed people off, not the bills.  The bills didn't affect consumers, but utility companies (PG&E went into bankruptcy) and industry.  Coming as it did during the dot-com crash, it made California seem like an unattractive place to do business.  

          Gray Davis did not exhibit any leadership or charisma--Schwarzenegger was a bit of an overreaction to Davis and his dull style.  

          Californians knew exactly who Enron was at the time, where they were headquartered, and how they were friends with the Bush administration.  The rest of the country mistakenly blamed the crisis on California's environmental laws.  In fact, it was California's electricity deregulation laws.  I was never clear if Davis was a tool of the energy industry or just clueless.  Having recently read a history of Enron, I think Enron found loopholes in the law, but probably didn't plant them there--they didn't feel they needed to I'm sure since they were able to find trading loopholes in all kinds of established businesses like natural gas, structured finance, and water rights.

          •  My bills went up to 10 times what they are now. (1+ / 0-)
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            Eloise

            And they went up for all the consumers I know. Plus, we had brown-outs and all the other aggravations.

            Who wrote the legislation for deregulation of the energy companies?  It was the lobbyists for the energy companies. Just like the banking lobbyists wrote the legislation deregulating the financial markets.

            Consumers don't have a say in anything that gets in front of the legislators and when or if that is going to change is a huge question.

            •  Term limits (1+ / 0-)
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              Pd

              Lobbyists wrote the legislation because they are all more experienced in the ways of the legislature than the elected officials who are term-limited out.

              Just because the rest of the state wanted to vote out Willie Brown...

              •  Term limits work both ways. The lobbyists wrote (0+ / 0-)

                the bills for those who weren't termed out as well.  I don't think term limits make a difference in that respect.  All they really do is put the same politicians in a game of musical chairs with all the different offices they can run for.  willie Brown wasn't the only one people wanted to get rid of.

                US Senators don't have term limits and look at how the lobbyists write their bills.  It's all that soft money they feel that they have to have.  

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