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  •  I agree (none)
    Having lived in some bad neighborhoods and been the victim of crime myself a couple of times, I am really against crime.  I know, I know, what a controversial statement I just made! What an outrage... hehee

    I voted for John Kerry and all I got was this lousy sticker...

    by diplomatic on Sat Dec 11, 2004 at 09:49:42 AM PST

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    •  I am a right wing nutjob when it comes to (none)
      Crime and punishment.

      I think punishment ought to be VERY severe. I think rehabilitation is a farce for the most part, and would only use it for first time non violent offenders.

      Prisons would be on lock down 23 hours a day, with zero physical contact and no recreation other than books. I would have corporal punishment for troublemakers. Prisons ought to be safe, drug free, and hard time.

      I would extend the death penalty to violent rapes, mandatory life sentances for pedophiles (re-offense rates are the highest for any crime, too high to risk release).

      I would treat white collar crime equally to other crime. No more club fed and short sentances for martha stewart and Ken lay.

      What I wouldnt do however is..
      Hand out the death penalty to anyone unless the evidence reached near certainty, beyond "a reasonable doubt". Its a crime that people are on death row and courts refuse to relook at DNA evidence now it is available. Its also a crime people are on Death row based on eye witness accounts only.

      I wouldnt be locking up thousands of non violent drug users, thats assinine. Its' cheaper to treat than punish and more effective.

      I wouldnt remove voting rights from ex-offenders
      And I wouldnt have privatized prisons either.

      And this country DESPERATELY needs a commision of race equality when it comes to prison population and sentancing. It would be VERY interesting to see what would happen if we did the following experiment..

      Once someone had been found guilty, they were blindly sentanced by a different judge or jury based soley on the transcript, without knowledge of race. IF you dont know if John Doe is black or white, things would change drastically I bet.

      I would also make Internal affairs and EXTERNAL affiars department too within police forces.

      We also need tougher laws on anti social behaviour. I agree with Guliani that the small stuff leads to the big stuff, and we ought to be coming down on it like a ton of bricks.

      I am a Reform Democrat

      by Pounder on Sat Dec 11, 2004 at 10:16:27 AM PST

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      •  Two of the biggest contributors (none)
        to recidivism are drug use and illiteracy.  Rehabilitation without addressing those issues may very well be a waste of time.  But effective rehabilitation would encompass treatment for both drug use and illiteracy.

        The problem with granting the death penalty only when you're really, really sure is that they shouldn't have been convicted unless you're really, really sure.  I know this isn't about the death penalty, so I won't share my views.  But I agree, technology and science have given us new ways to verify guilt and innocence and if the government is even thinking of taking someone's life, they better be damned sure they've exhausted every possible resource in determining guilt.

        Given what this government has done in allowing torture and civilian death in Iraq, not to mention what it's done to Americans in regards to health care and cutting social services, we know that this government doesn't give a shit about anything other than padding bank accounts.

        •  agree (none)
          Thats why drug free prisons and books !

          on the death penalty, not sure its semantics or not but I see a distinction between reasonable doubt and  certainty. beyond Reasonable doubt is adequate for lockup, but not for the death penalty.

          Death penalties also need to be performed expeditiously, within 12 months, not 12 years.

          I am a Reform Democrat

          by Pounder on Sat Dec 11, 2004 at 11:00:13 AM PST

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