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  •  President Snowe is helping the Dems slip us their (3+ / 0-)

    Bunker Buster Flaming Turd, an insurer-friendly HCR bill that DNC, DLC, Blue Dogs and the WH bet will trigger a blizzard of 2010 and 2012 corporate donations for Democrats. I wanna be wrong about that so bad....

    When an old man dies, a library burns down. --African proverb

    by Wom Bat on Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 01:04:58 PM PDT

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    •  the insurers actually dislike this bill (1+ / 0-)
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      because it forces them to cover preexisting condition and bars them from dropping policy-holders without offering strong enforcement of the mandate.

      Given Snowe's desire to see the mandate's "punitive" aspect further weakened, she may end up being a key ally for FDL and others who don't want a mandate unless there's a robust PO.

      •  No they don't...they wrote it... (6+ / 0-)

        the show on Monday was just that...a show to create space for Snowe and Baucus...

        We should not be fooled by the kabuki that easily...

        "Republicans drove the country into a ditch and now they are complaining about the cost of the tow truck"-Jim Cornette

        by justmy2 on Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 02:06:44 PM PDT

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        •  I don't think that's what happened (0+ / 0-)

          Baucus and his staff wrote the original draft (with insurance company input), but it's been amended since then. Snowe's amendment significantly weakened the mandate... a move that was an enormous blow to AHIP's hope of turning this into an easy free money bonanza.

          I think Snowe's amendment was a bad idea, but there's no question that move hurts the insurance industry.

          Now, given how public option-centric this debate has been, it's easy to lose sight that there are other possible policy arrangements that would piss off the insurance companies, but that's the case here. And there doesn't seem to be a good reason to believe they would allow a "harmful" amendment to get into the bill just to create unnecessary "space" for Snowe and Baucus.

          It's not like the bill wouldn't have passed without that report.

          Occam's Razor and all.

          •  I agree with you in terms of the state of the (1+ / 0-)
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            mandate...

            But I find it hard to believe that with all the other goodies in the bill, that this is their line in the sand. There real line in the sand is the public option, and this little show creates an outer limit for them.  They have to know that this won't help them in their argument, so I look for the alternative reason.  If you assume this reaction from the WH and Baucus, why would you use this tactic to make your point.  (Unless they think their hissy fit will cause them to raise the tax again, which is a stretch to say the least)

            This also gives AHIP an opportunity to say we tried our best.

            But we are both guessing.  I should have said that. But in the health care debate, I don't think Occam's razor holds because we are privy to the internals of what anyone really supports.  We will see how it plays out.

            "Republicans drove the country into a ditch and now they are complaining about the cost of the tow truck"-Jim Cornette

            by justmy2 on Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 02:21:00 PM PDT

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            •  I actually think a weak mandate (1+ / 0-)
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              is a bigger deal to them than the public option... for the same reason that a weak mandate would be harmful to a public option.

              Namely, if they have to cover sick people who wait until they get sick to sign on, it creates a huge problem for them in terms of being able to keep their profit margin intact without losing a huge chunk of their healthy customers over stratospheric premiums (who could, under the new regulations, just wait until they actually need insurance to buy it).

              I think what's more telling are today's comments from Lieberman where he said he would vote against the Baucus bill over the weak mandate.

            •  not privy...oops... (0+ / 0-)

              "Republicans drove the country into a ditch and now they are complaining about the cost of the tow truck"-Jim Cornette

              by justmy2 on Tue Oct 13, 2009 at 03:14:34 PM PDT

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