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  •  Instead of arguing against more troops for Afghan (8+ / 0-)

    conflict, she's gone to arguing that Biden should resign for having a different position....I mean, it's a topic, I suppose, but it's three steps removed from what really concerns her, and if her position was really that strong, she wouldn't be asking for a suicide mission from Biden.

    Only some conservatives are racist. The rest are merely enabling racists, allying with racists, and hoping they win the next election with racism.

    by Inland on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 06:07:03 AM PDT

    •  it is a suicide mission for dems to agree (1+ / 0-)
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      with her

    •  I agree with both her and Biden (6+ / 0-)

      with respect to not throwing more troops into that war theater and hoping that a quagmire situation doesn't develop.

      Difference is that the Vice President is offering wise, respectful counsel and is coming from a place in which he is lending his expertise in order to make his WH as successful as is possible.  Huffington has chosen to draw lines in the sand, freak out, make "demands" and act the fool in order to represent that same viewpoint.  It's a stupid tactic for big bloggers in the netroots to utilize, but God forbid anyone suggests that this is dumb, they're an "ObamaBot."

      "At times, we've struggled to keep the promise of liberty and equality..." Nobel Peace Prize Winner President Barack H. Obama

      by GN1927 on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 06:27:43 AM PDT

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      •  My son doesn't have a clue with how to (1+ / 0-)
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        proceed there but knows that more troops will make things worse.  It's sad that we threw a great opportunity for the Afghans out the window for MIC/corporate greed over the years.

        To Congress: "GO BIG" or go home

        by mjd in florida on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 06:34:00 AM PDT

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      •  Yep. Biden has a valid (2+ / 0-)
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        point. He understands that adding 20,000 troops is the easy part but if they fail to make much progress you can't as easily withdraw them. LBJ and Bush had their Presidencies destroyed by not understanding this dynamic of war. But Obama has boxed himself in by a) running to escalate the Afghanistan war and b) selecting McChrystal to run the war. He is truly between rock and a hard place.

        •  b) might be trickier (1+ / 0-)
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          but I don't see a problem with a).  At the time of his campaign, the war was seen as being prosecuted by an extremely malevolent, vicious administration.  I think that the hope, then, was that a change in DC would yield better prospects in Afghanistan.  Additionally, I think that people were more enamored of the juxtaposition of Iraq as a wholly illegitimate war which POTUS' Afghanistan position carried, than a real attachment to the prospect of endless war in Afghanistan.

          I think that you hit the nail on the head in that for all of these hawks who permeate DC, the nature of war is poorly understood.

          We'll see what happens, but there's no good option here.  I do doubt, however, that POTUS would take a huge political hit for failing to keep the particular campaign promise of escalating the Afghanistan war beyond the level at which the Obama administration has already escalated it.  People admire his common sense; that common sense as applied to this war would not result in loss of political capital IMO.

          "At times, we've struggled to keep the promise of liberty and equality..." Nobel Peace Prize Winner President Barack H. Obama

          by GN1927 on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 06:40:54 AM PDT

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    •  nowhere in that article does she even contemplate (6+ / 0-)

      that Biden's role in that debate was a calculated move to inject questions, on behalf of the president or some other player in the debate, that other proponents support but needed some distance from.

      she immediately assumed, for reasons i can only guess at, that its a riff worthy of Biden pulling a Palin over. for fuck sake, where was the pat on the back to Obama for picking him and allowing the independence of thought is his meetings as these matters are debated. it is what he said he wanted in his cabinet and from the VP specifically.

      •  President Obama gets zero credit (5+ / 0-)

        amongst the more sensationalist faction in the netroots.  And for all of their screaming about a pure belief in progressivism, they fail to embrace the newer cooperative paradigm at play in this WH; clinging to failed power paradigms: "do what I want or be slammed," versus, "how can I work with you to create a good result."

        "At times, we've struggled to keep the promise of liberty and equality..." Nobel Peace Prize Winner President Barack H. Obama

        by GN1927 on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 06:52:48 AM PDT

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        •  its amazing how fast (6+ / 0-)

          it became popular to be a contrarian. enthusiasm, pride, and hope are so 2008. "hard boiled cynic" is the new black.

          •  I really think that people (4+ / 0-)
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            are still caught up in the type of relationship we had with the Bush administration which was hostile, belligerent, and responded to nothing but fear and application of power.

            This WH is completely different, and some of us have yet to realize that and adjust tactics accordingly.  "With me or against me" is still in play.

            "At times, we've struggled to keep the promise of liberty and equality..." Nobel Peace Prize Winner President Barack H. Obama

            by GN1927 on Thu Oct 15, 2009 at 07:06:51 AM PDT

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