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  •  How about this: (1+ / 0-)
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    The dispute led to tension with Edelman's former colleagues from the uprising who immigrated to Israel after surviving the war. In later years, Edelman reportedly warmed to Zionism and met with fellow ghetto fighters who had immigrated here.

    A rather different picture is painted in a commentary by Tony Greenstein on the Live From Occupied Palestine blog:

    Edelman became a 'non-person' in Israel.

    Meh is not really a word so you can criticize it all you want. The problem is that the meaning of anti-Zionism has changed over time. Before WWII, anti-Zionism was an opinion that Jews don't need to immigrate to Israel and should stay in their home countries. It was shared by majority of Jews in Europe and certainly by Bund and Edelman. After WWII a lot of Jews saw that Europe is not safe for them and support for Jewish state in Israel increased. After formation of Israel, there were very few Jews that didn't support the existence of Israeli state. It is clear from the quotes in the post that Edelman did it as well. Anti-Zionism became the term for the opinion (mostly held in Arab world) that Israel should be disbanded and Jews should leave Palestine. Edelman certainly supported nothing like this. His views seem similar to those of left-wing Israelis.

    •  If it has meaning, it is a word. (1+ / 0-)
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      You still haven't shown us where the diarist says Edelman was against Israel - because you can't: he doesn't.  

      His comment that Edelman was treated as a "non-person" in Israel is borne out by the Arens quote, but that's a critique of Israel by the diarist which he extracted from a right winger's quote.  It isn't an assertion that Edelman was against Israel.

      Thanks for another opportunity to point out your flimsy straw man.

      "Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you can succeed." -Nancy Pelosi, 6/29/07.

      by nailbender on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 08:47:10 AM PDT

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      •  Anti-Zionism now is equivalent to being against (0+ / 0-)

        existence of Israel. Opposition to Israeli policies is not really anti-Zionism in my view.

        •  I'd be interested in your definition of Zionism, (0+ / 0-)


          "Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you can succeed." -Nancy Pelosi, 6/29/07.

          by nailbender on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 02:16:22 PM PDT

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          •  From Wikipedia: (0+ / 0-)

            "Since the creation of Israel, the Zionist movement continues primarily as support for the modern state of Israel."

            •  So Zionism doesn't = Israel after all! (0+ / 0-)

              It's a support network, like, say, the American Legion is primarily a support network for the US military.  I am against the American Legion but I support the US military (because there is more than one way to support the US military).

              Therefore being against zionism isn't being against Israel.

              Unless, of course, you just want to make things up as you go along.

              "Well, yeah, the Constitution is worth it if you can succeed." -Nancy Pelosi, 6/29/07.

              by nailbender on Fri Oct 16, 2009 at 07:41:20 PM PDT

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