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  •  Seedlings are way less fragile than clones. (1+ / 0-)
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    In soil, you get taproots deep enough to survive a few dry days.

    Mildew's an issue in the Pacific NW, not in the midwest.

    We have problems ith deer at the very beginning of the season, after that they at worst nibble tips.

    The 'hooligans' are a prohibition driven problem.



    When did Vietnam become Nixon's War?

    by ben masel on Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 08:40:24 AM PDT

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    •  You're both right (2+ / 0-)
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      Some of that price per ounce is a risk-tax for the illegality of it, some other part is a pain-in-the-ass factor for tending to crops the right way (which isn't easy, but you can imagine the economies of scale taking over when the legal obstacle is dropped).

      I imagine beers and microbrews are an instructive analogy - you will probably be able to get some commercial somethin' at a bulk rate, but you'll be willing to pay more for the craft of a batch well-made.

      You couldn't load a pistol with dormitive virtue and shoot it into a breakfast-roll - CS Pierce

      by Mr Raymond Luxury Yacht on Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 08:59:00 AM PDT

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    •  And where do the seedlings come from? (0+ / 0-)

      They aren't just instantly hale and hearty on their own.

      If you are cutting them from mother plants, then you still have the same issues.

      If you are growing them from seeds from seed banks, then you are paying high premiums with no guarantee of gender suitability. 50- 60 percent female results from ten seeds that run you $100.00?

      If you are just sowing seeds from some cheap bag of dirt weed, then this is a useless conversation.

      The GOP - Bringing 19th century solutions to 21st century problems

      by Razorblade on Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 09:34:28 AM PDT

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      •  Cuttings are not seedlings. (1+ / 0-)
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        Cuttings, also known as clones, have multiple side roots, but no taproot. They'll root out, not down, so in soil they're much more dependent on frequent watering.

        Seeds come from the previous year's plants. To avoid growing plants pollinated by ditchweed, keep a couple males from known progenitors going in isolation, collect pollen with a q-tip, and apply at selected female sites early in the flowering cycle.

        While some of the original stock in use here came from the Dutch, my personal favorite came from an exceptional batch of Mexican which reached Wisconsin in 1986. It comes out strong even if it does get pollinated.

        The original Wisghani, the first strain to give outstanding results here, came from a batch of somewhat seedy Afghan weed flown into New York from India in 1975. Alas, the purity of that seedstock has become inconsistent with passage of time.

        Williams Wonder, Sour Diesel, Blueberry, and Trinity all ripen in time for top shelf outdoor results.



        When did Vietnam become Nixon's War?

        by ben masel on Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 10:13:32 AM PDT

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        •  You missed my point. (0+ / 0-)

          Once again, your methodology is not practical from a "commercial" point, nor from a quality control position.

          If you grow 20 plants from seedlings, at least 8 of those stand a chance of being male. You won't identify them until primary sex characteristics begin to manifest. At which time you have to cull 40 percent of your crop.

          Growing from seeds doesn't guarantee the eventual hardiness of the seedlings you are growing. They are still subject to environmental variables you cannot control.

          The fact that you keep insisting that you are using seeds from the previous years crop indicates a grow plan that exists more in the farming methods of the last century. Additionally, there is no way to absolutely prevent accidental pollination from unknown sources in a field type grow.

          Utilizing clones allows for a uniform cultivation response for an entire crop that is much more difficult thru seed based propagation. Growers may initially get their genetics from a seed bank, but they certainly aren't using those seeds for the actual plantings. The will select the optimum specimen from a batch, and use it as mother stock to clone from.

          If I keep a mother plant and clone from her, I know 100 percent what sex those plants are, and how they are going to respond in a grow environment, because they are the exact same plant I have been growing for a couple of years. I can optimize my nutrients, PH, and light cycles to maintain those standards.

          By the time a root mass is developed, the difference between a tap and side growth has no real effect. It's no different than pinching a terminal bud to promote side growth. You gain additional root mass thru the introduction of higher concentrations of oxygen in nutrient solutions, allowing more growth under smaller area. That is why aeroponics has the highest yield ratios of any grow methodology, even though it is the most difficult to maintain.

          Quality and consistency in genetic selection require stricter control than you appear to be applying.

          I think any google of growing techniques will support my points as to the current common wisdom.

          If you expect the average layman to accept the
          legitimacy of the science supporting Medical Marijuana, you need to be promoting higher standards for  the production of that product, not treating it like last summers tomato crop in the backyard.

           

          The GOP - Bringing 19th century solutions to 21st century problems

          by Razorblade on Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 11:33:22 AM PDT

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          •  Males are no big deal. (0+ / 0-)

            Start with triple the number you want, then cull.

            Clones never get roots deeper than 18 inches. Fine for growing in medium, but outdoors in soil you want that 4 foot taproot so you don't have to worry about dry spells.

            Oxygenation of roots is indeed important, and depending on the original soil may require additives to keep it loose. In the sandy soils of our glaciated areas not a problem, in the highr clay conten areas we use charcoal, peat, and perlite to maintain bulk.

            Yield ratio per area's not that important outdoors, granted moreso with expensive California indoor rents.



            When did Vietnam become Nixon's War?

            by ben masel on Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 11:59:52 AM PDT

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          •  You haven't tasted my tomatos. (0+ / 0-)



            When did Vietnam become Nixon's War?

            by ben masel on Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 12:17:30 PM PDT

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            •  and you haven't tried aerating SoCal soil ;-) (0+ / 0-)

              Soil? Did I say soil?

              Ha!!!

              I'm sure your tomatoes were great...I remember growing good ones in Ohio.

              But I'm pretty sure, most commercial tomatoes are grown hydroponically these days?

              Just sayin''...

              The GOP - Bringing 19th century solutions to 21st century problems

              by Razorblade on Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 01:07:54 PM PDT

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              •  Commercial tomatoes (0+ / 0-)

                Most still outdoors, but they don't store as well as properly dried cannabis, so there's a market for greenhouse hydro tomatoes in the offseason.



                When did Vietnam become Nixon's War?

                by ben masel on Tue Oct 20, 2009 at 01:16:02 PM PDT

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